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toloee_aftaab
12-23-2006, 02:11 PM
Senior Taliban leader killed in U.S. airstrike in Afghanistan

KABUL, Afghanistan -- A U.S. airstrike near the Pakistan border killed the Taliban's southern military commander, a U.S. military spokesman said Saturday, calling him the highest-ranking Taliban ever slain by American forces.

Mullah Akhtar Mohammad Osmani's vehicle was hit by a U.S. airstrike Tuesday as he traveled in a deserted area in the southern province of Helmand, the spokesman said. Two associates also were killed.

U.S. and Afghan officials said the strike was a major victory. Ahmed Rashid, a leading author on Islamic militancy, said Osmani's death could disrupt planning for a Taliban offensive early next year, designed to extend the recent surge of violence across Afghanistan.

Osmani played an instrumental role in some of the Taliban's most notorious excesses -- including the demolition of the ancient Buddha statues in Bamiyan and the trial of Christian aid workers in 2001, Rashid said.

He was also one of three top associates of Taliban leader Mullah Omar, Rashid said, and among the first supporters of Osama bin Laden within the militant Islamic militia's top ranks.

A Taliban spokesman denied that Osmani was dead. But a provincial police chief and Afghanistan's Interior Ministry confirmed the killing. Interior Ministry spokesman Zemeri Bashary called it "a big achievement."

A U.S. spokesman said the death was confirmed through multiple sources.

As the Taliban's chief military commander in southern Afghanistan, Osmani played a "central role in facilitating terrorist operations" including roadside bombings, suicide attacks and ambushes against Afghan and international forces, said Col. Tom Collins, the U.S. military spokesman.

"Mullah Osmani is the highest ranking Taliban leader we've ever killed," Collins said. "He was the chief of the Taliban's military operations, so his death is very significant and will hurt the Taliban's operations."

Rashid agreed the death was a "major blow" to the militia.

"It's the first casualty among the top Taliban leadership in the past five years, which makes the strike very significant," he said.

Collins said Osmani had been "utilizing both sides" of the Afghan-Pakistan border, and that the U.S. military had been tracking him "for a while."

"When the time was right, and we thought we had a good chance of hitting him without causing any harm to civilians, we struck," he said.

The Taliban have stepped up attacks this year, especially in Afghanistan's south, and waged fierce battles with Western and Afghan government forces.

About 4,000 people have died in the violence, raising fears for the country's future stability after a quarter century of war.

A purported Taliban spokesman, Qari Yousef Ahmadi, denied that Osmani had been killed. He said the airstrike killed a group commander and three other Taliban fighters.

"I confirm that Osmani is alive and is in Afghanistan," Ahmadi told The Associated Press by phone from an undisclosed location.

But other sources said there was little doubt. Collins said officials waited four days to announce the news in part so that they could be sure the Taliban commander was dead.

Identifying remains was difficult, Collins said, because of the damage inflicted by the airstrike. "The vehicle was completely destroyed, there was nothing to recognize," he said.

Osmani's absence will be felt by the Taliban: He was part of a group of "coequals" at the tier of leadership just under Omar, Collins said, and was also in charge of the Taliban's finances.

"There's no doubt that it will have an immediate impact on their ability to conduct attacks," the spokesman said.

Although the U.S. said Osmani was an associate of bin Laden, Omar and Afghan insurgent leader Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, Collins said he did not know the last time Osmani had contact with any of the three.

As Kandahar corps commander during the Taliban regime, Osmani would have been responsible for security around Omar. He supported bin Laden among the Taliban and had received a lot of money from Arab sources to build his military force, Rashid said.

The whereabouts of Omar, the Taliban's reclusive leader who has a $10 million reward on his head, remain a mystery.

In June, a man claiming to be Osmani -- his face was concealed by a black turban -- gave an interview to a Pakistani television network. He told the network that both Omar and bin Laden were alive and well, and claimed to be receiving instructions from Omar.



WOOT! time to celebrate!!!!!!!!

Farhad
12-23-2006, 04:24 PM
But other sources said there was little doubt. Collins said officials waited four days to announce the news in part so that they could be sure the Taliban commander was dead.

Identifying remains was difficult, Collins said, because of the damage inflicted by the airstrike. "The vehicle was completely destroyed, there was nothing to recognize," he said.



WOOT! time to celebrate!!!!!!!!


According to the news I heard It's Just a "Claimed" Not a Factual Beside one dead will not change anything......

On what to celebrate ? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

XLNC
12-23-2006, 04:35 PM
WOOT! time to celebrate!!!!!!!!

Outsiders killing your countrymen "what ever they may be" and you wana celebrate ? Isnt there any drop of afghan blood runnin in your veins ?
or ur just another child jumpin into conclusions without understanding that this war is only because WE ARE BELIEVERS.

If you reply make sure its not profanity.

toloee_aftaab
12-23-2006, 04:39 PM
i would gladly see anyone killed off who have spilled the blood of afghans.

Farhad
12-23-2006, 04:39 PM
Outsiders killing your countrymen "what ever they may be" and you wana celebrate ? Isnt there any drop of afghan blood runnin in your veins ?
or ur just another child jumpin into conclusions without understanding that this war is only because WE ARE BELIEVERS.

If you reply make sure its not profanity.

You are asking someone who lived on profanity not to use it ? Trust me It's better to talk to the donkey then to ask something from someone like this person.

toloee_aftaab
12-23-2006, 04:42 PM
Outsiders killing your countrymen "what ever they may be" and you wana celebrate ? Isnt there any drop of afghan blood runnin in your veins ?
or ur just another child jumpin into conclusions without understanding that this war is only because WE ARE BELIEVERS.

If you reply make sure its not profanity.

i am sure posts about taliban can be excused from that rule.

toloee_aftaab
12-23-2006, 04:43 PM
You are asking someone who lived on profanity not to use it ? Trust me It's better to talk to the donkey then to ask something from someone like this person.

inferno, you are talking to someone(farhad) who has never been to Afghanistan, has no experience of all the suffering we went through, has no respect whatsoever for the educated views of the Afghan people.............i can go on forever.

XLNC
12-23-2006, 04:51 PM
inferno, you are talking to someone(farhad) who has never been to Afghanistan, has no experience of all the suffering we went through, has no respect whatsoever for the educated views of the Afghan people.............i can go on forever.


look imagine you and your brother had fallen out because of "some outsiders in the first place". although you hate your brother for what ever reason. would you be delighted of his death in the hands of them outsiders who came into your house and slain your bro ?

cause at the end of the day what ever your differences with your bro. HE IS YOUR BROTHER !

and as far as educated afghans is concerned why dont u have a healthy debate then

Farhad
12-23-2006, 04:52 PM
inferno, you are talking to someone(farhad) who has never been to Afghanistan, has no experience of all the suffering we went through, has no respect whatsoever for the educated views of the Afghan people.............i can go on forever.




Ah. Educated Views ! Well, those who are well educated would not indulged themselves with profanities and Insultation like you do. All you can brag is about your achievement in your education..well prove it then if you are so talented.

As far as I am concern you are just a Idiotic Moron with pea size brain.

112 % in computer studies ...:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Farhad Khan just couldn't stop laughing :lol: :lol: :lol:

Farhad
12-23-2006, 04:53 PM
look imagine you and your brother had fallen out because of "some outsiders in the first place". although you hate your brother for what ever reason. would you be delighted of his death in the hands of them outsiders who came into your house and slain your bro ?

cause at the end of the day what ever your differences with your bro. HE IS YOUR BROTHER !

Ameen......

toloee_aftaab
12-23-2006, 05:06 PM
look imagine you and your brother had fallen out because of "some outsiders in the first place". although you hate your brother for what ever reason. would you be delighted of his death in the hands of them outsiders who came into your house and slain your bro ?

cause at the end of the day what ever your differences with your bro. HE IS YOUR BROTHER !

and as far as educated afghans is concerned why dont u have a healthy debate then

if i had a brother and i had learned that he had done something wrong like KILLING COUNTLESS PEOPLE, then yes i will be delighted.

XLNC
12-23-2006, 05:08 PM
if i had a brother and i had learned that he had done something wrong like KILLING COUNTLESS PEOPLE, then yes i will be delighted.

so you are delighted at ahmad shah masoods death as well then ?

Farhad
12-23-2006, 05:09 PM
so you are delighted at ahmad shah masoods death as well then ?

:thumbup1: :thumbup1:

toloee_aftaab
12-23-2006, 05:14 PM
so you are delighted at ahmad shah masoods death as well then ?

Ahmad Shah Massoud never raised his rifle and shot an entire family( some of his men might have but that is irrelevent). Commander Massoud actually atteneded university, unlike those illeterate savages who shatter Islam's image as a peaceful religion and use the power of a few verses to carry out genocidal acts. Commander Massoud never stopped anyone from going to school. He did not vanquish the dreams of 6 million girls by kicking them out of school. God bless him and his son, whom i have the honour of being a childhood friend of. ahhh the good old days.................masood was a fun and educated individuals who enjoyed volleyball as well as poetry.

XLNC
12-23-2006, 05:25 PM
Ahmad Shah Massoud never raised his rifle and shot an entire family( some of his men might have but that is irrelevent). Commander Massoud actually atteneded university, unlike those illeterate savages who shatter Islam's image as a peaceful religion and use the power of a few verses to carry out genocidal acts. Commander Massoud never stopped anyone from going to school. He did not vanquish the dreams of 6 million girls by kicking them out of school. God bless him and his son, whom i have the honour of being a childhood friend of. ahhh the good old days.................masood was a fun and educated individuals who enjoyed volleyball as well as poetry.

we are discussing afghanistan here while you are proud of an individual who liked volleyball ?

what good old days are you refering to brother ?

what is his son doing now then ? where did get their money from ?

what happened to all of kabul museum ?

everyone of our leaders betrayed their motherland.

defending any of them is insulting .

The problem we have in Afghanistan is that Isreali States of America always uses divide and conquer tactics. anywhere you see they have done it . and people are blind to reality and major issues, which are behind the hidden veil dont tend to understand them.

Do you understand the fact that Afghanistan is both Tajiks and Pashtoons homeland ?

That we collectively own the soil and that there is no difference between us apart those tactically differences set by the isreali occupied congress of united states .

do you know that our motherland is being rapped by a common enemy ?

do you understand that all this war is because of our faith ?

do you understand that they make afghans fight each other in the frontlines ?

do you understand that all these issues are being fought since the days of Pharoahs?

do you understand that satanism has spread around the globe ?

do you understand that new world order is here on our doorstep ?

do you understand that we are muslims first and afghans second ?

do you understand that everyone in afghanistan has someone paid the price for being a believer ?

do you understand that there were people who fought for afghanistan and islam. without being fed millions of dollars and land cruisers by other countries and yet no one knows their names and places or how they died .....


yet you remember one person just one person ?

and as far as university is concerned you claim to be educated too but i dont see no knowledge in you what so ever. and i am sorry to say that as i dont like offending people

you ever read quran and reflected on its verses.... ever compared the past and present ???

do understand what goes on in Bohemein Grove ?

do ever come to think what the media is injectin in you ?

do ever understand the subliminal msgs around you ?

Farhad
12-23-2006, 05:33 PM
Ahmad Shah Massoud never raised his rifle and shot an entire family( some of his men might have but that is irrelevent). Commander Massoud actually atteneded university, unlike those illeterate savages who shatter Islam's image as a peaceful religion and use the power of a few verses to carry out genocidal acts. Commander Massoud never stopped anyone from going to school. He did not vanquish the dreams of 6 million girls by kicking them out of school. God bless him and his son, whom i have the honour of being a childhood friend of. ahhh the good old days.................masood was a fun and educated individuals who enjoyed volleyball as well as poetry.

That is news to all of us that he never raised his rifle...oh...He is one of the reason the why the Taliban Movement were born...Without Masood, Heckmatyaar and many more there would not be any Taliban today. Every blames is on this Bastard Masood, Heckmatyar and all the War lords that gave birth to the Taliban...

They are the caused of the Nation lay ruined and where did you get the number 6 million girls kicked out of the school by the Taliban. As far as the fact is 85% of Afghan females never attended schooling even before the Taliban came... and in the far Rural the percentage of not attending school are at 98%...these are before the Taliban era and even now when The Taliban is not in Power what are the percentage of females attending schools ? Stop this Bullsh!t...Taliban are conservatives movement and they are against any teaching which is not Islamic for the Afghans and this is what they are implementing it.
An Islamic Education...

Stop exaggerating about the numbers and stop lying about that Bastard Masood and How many girls in the Panjsher Valley goes to school yesterday and today? As far as we all know that that part of Afghanistan was never under the rule of Taliban yet the numbers of females attending schools are far below the national average... Is it because Taliban is still ruling?

XLNC
12-23-2006, 05:37 PM
Ahmad Shah Massoud never raised his rifle and shot an entire family( some of his men might have but that is irrelevent). Commander Massoud actually atteneded university, unlike those illeterate savages who shatter Islam's image as a peaceful religion and use the power of a few verses to carry out genocidal acts. Commander Massoud never stopped anyone from going to school. He did not vanquish the dreams of 6 million girls by kicking them out of school. God bless him and his son, whom i have the honour of being a childhood friend of. ahhh the good old days.................masood was a fun and educated individuals who enjoyed volleyball as well as poetry.

George Bush never raised a rifle and shot an entire family( some of his men might do but that is irrelevent)

toloee_aftaab
12-23-2006, 05:42 PM
we are discussing afghanistan here while you are proud of an individual who liked volleyball ?

what good old days are you refering to brother ?

what is his son doing now then ? where did get their money from ?

what happened to all of kabul museum ?

everyone of our leaders betrayed their motherland.

defending any of them is insulting .

The problem we have in Afghanistan is that Isreali States of America always uses divide and conquer tactics. anywhere you see they have done it . and people are blind to reality and major issues, which are behind the hidden veil dont tend to understand them.

Do you understand the fact that Afghanistan is both Tajiks and Pashtoons homeland ?

That we collectively own the soil and that there is no difference between us apart those tactically differences set by the isreali occupied congress of united states .

do you know that our motherland is being rapped by a common enemy ?

do you understand that all this war is because of our faith ?

do you understand that they make afghans fight each other in the frontlines ?

do you understand that all these issues are being fought since the days of Pharoahs?

do you understand that satanism has spread around the globe ?

do you understand that new world order is here on our doorstep ?

do you understand that we are muslims first and afghans second ?

do you understand that everyone in afghanistan has someone paid the price for being a believer ?

do you understand that there were people who fought for afghanistan and islam. without being fed millions of dollars and land cruisers by other countries and yet no one knows their names and places or how they died .....


yet you remember one person just one person ?

and as far as university is concerned you claim to be educated too but i dont see no knowledge in you what so ever. and i am sorry to say that as i dont like offending people

you ever read quran and reflected on its verses.... ever compared the past and present ???

do understand what goes on in Bohemein Grove ?

do ever come to think what the media is injectin in you ?

do ever understand the subliminal msgs around you ?

propaganda..........

toloee_aftaab
12-23-2006, 05:45 PM
That is news to all of us that he never raised his rifle...oh...He is one of the reason the why the Taliban Movement were born...Without Masood, Heckmatyaar and many more there would not be any Taliban today. Every blames is on this Bastard Masood, Heckmatyar and all the War lords that gave birth to the Taliban...

They are the caused of the Nation lay ruined and where did you get the number 6 million girls kicked out of the school by the Taliban. As far as the fact is 85% of Afghan females never attended schooling even before the Taliban came... and in the far Rural the percentage of not attending school are at 98%...these are before the Taliban era and even now when The Taliban is not in Power what are the percentage of females attending schools ? Stop this Bullsh!t...Taliban are conservatives movement and they are against any teaching which is not Islamic for the Afghans and this is what they are implementing it.
An Islamic Education...

Stop exaggerating about the numbers and stop lying about that Bastard Masood and How many girls in the Panjsher Valley goes to school yesterday and today? As far as we all know that that part of Afghanistan was never under the rule of Taliban yet the numbers of females attending schools are far below the national average... Is it because Taliban is still ruling?


how do u get internet access in caves?:blink:

XLNC
12-23-2006, 05:47 PM
Ahmad Shah Massoud never raised his rifle and shot an entire family( some of his men might have but that is irrelevent). .


George Bush never raised a rifle and shot an entire family( some of his men might do but that is irrelevent)



propaganda ???

why dont u convince me with facts then please

Farhad
12-23-2006, 05:47 PM
we are discussing afghanistan here while you are proud of an individual who liked volleyball ?

what good old days are you refering to brother ?

what is his son doing now then ? where did get their money from ?

what happened to all of kabul museum ?

everyone of our leaders betrayed their motherland.

defending any of them is insulting .

The problem we have in Afghanistan is that Isreali States of America always uses divide and conquer tactics. anywhere you see they have done it . and people are blind to reality and major issues, which are behind the hidden veil dont tend to understand them.

Do you understand the fact that Afghanistan is both Tajiks and Pashtoons homeland ?

That we collectively own the soil and that there is no difference between us apart those tactically differences set by the isreali occupied congress of united states .

do you know that our motherland is being rapped by a common enemy ?

do you understand that all this war is because of our faith ?

do you understand that they make afghans fight each other in the frontlines ?

do you understand that all these issues are being fought since the days of Pharoahs?

do you understand that satanism has spread around the globe ?

do you understand that new world order is here on our doorstep ?

do you understand that we are muslims first and afghans second ?

do you understand that everyone in afghanistan has someone paid the price for being a believer ?

do you understand that there were people who fought for afghanistan and islam. without being fed millions of dollars and land cruisers by other countries and yet no one knows their names and places or how they died .....


yet you remember one person just one person ?

and as far as university is concerned you claim to be educated too but i dont see no knowledge in you what so ever. and i am sorry to say that as i dont like offending people

you ever read quran and reflected on its verses.... ever compared the past and present ???

do understand what goes on in Bohemein Grove ?

do ever come to think what the media is injectin in you ?

do ever understand the subliminal msgs around you ?


This boy don't understand a thing.. he is ruled by the pride and therefore he will be on the side of anyone as long they are the enemy of the Pashtoons.

For them the west is a savior but they failed to realised that the west and along with some traitor like Masood are the caused of all the misery in our motherland. They failed to realised that last 30 years of war in the motherlad were planned by outsiders, mainly the West, Iran and Pakistan Military. I for one will not blame any of these outsiders because the fault is within the country and that is on the shoulders of the War lords..those who are out to gain from the wars..

As you mention about Masood's monetary gain..Indeed it is true that his family holds vast property in Frace and with huge amout of monies in the European Bank.

The present Governor General of Canada was once a Reporter and she did investigate about Masood and his financial and According to that documentary shown on the Canada's CBC, Masood and his Family worth about US$ 480 millions. Ever wonder where did he got these large amount ot monies..

I am thinking what does Mulah Omar's worth ? Poor Mullah Omar he is pennyless

XLNC
12-23-2006, 05:55 PM
This boy don't understand a thing.. he is ruled by the pride and therefore he will be on the side of anyone as long they are the enemy of the Pashtoons.

For them the west is a savior but they failed to realised that the west and along with some traitor like Masood are the caused of all the misery in our motherland. They failed to realised that last 30 years of war in the motherlad were planned by outsiders, mainly the West, Iran and Pakistan Military. I for one will not blame any of these outsiders because the fault is within the country and that is on the shoulders of the War lords..those who are out to gain from the wars..

As you mention about Masood's monetary gain..Indeed it is true that his family holds vast property in Frace and with huge amout of monies in the European Bank.

The present Governor General of Canada was once a Reporter and she did investigate about Masood and his financial and According to that documentary shown on the Canada's CBC, Masood and his Family worth about US$ 480 millions. Ever wonder where did he got these large amount ot monies..

I am thinking what does Mulah Omar's worth ? Poor Mullah Omar he is pennyless


Farhad as far as i am concerned my heart goes out to any afghan regardless of their tribe who fought soley for islam and afghanistan. and anyone who made money as a result of war even if it was my own father i dont have no respect for them.

i will be the first to leave myself orphan if my father turned a traitor to my religion and soil.
i am from kandahar and i dont see no difference between myself and any other individual from any afghan tribe.



i dont classify myself as educated either... cause western education is nothing but poison and social engineering.

Baktash
12-23-2006, 09:25 PM
soldiers under the command of Ahmad Shah Masood in action:

http://i10.tinypic.com/29c572h.jpg http://i18.tinypic.com/2q8d9fs.jpg

Warning: very disturbing and graphic. Please, do not view, unless you are a Masood supporter.

suraya9
12-24-2006, 06:43 AM
inferno, you are talking to someone(farhad) who has never been to Afghanistan, has no experience of all the suffering we went through, has no respect whatsoever for the educated views of the Afghan people.............i can go on forever.

you're talking as if you were born and raised in afghanistan?...****..it seems like you were born in the west and your 16 year old ass doesn't know **** about afghanistan...so please refrain from called your self "the one that suffered under the taliban rule"..give me a break..you make me sick...you're so whitewashed....go and do some real research hon..

toloee_aftaab
12-24-2006, 08:18 AM
i won't initiate an arguement with someone who hasn't been taught to behave properly.
what you and farhad have in common is that both of your parents(grandparents in farhad's part) were kicked out for being spies for the Soviet and the British, respectively. Secondly, "withwashed" only refers to people of Oriental orgin who have lost their accent and their way of life. So if i were you, I would do some research.
p.s. don't give me that attitude, stop bitching about Afghanistan from the comfort of your home. Try living in Afghanistan for a week.

XLNC
12-24-2006, 08:31 AM
i won't initiate an arguement with someone who hasn't been taught to behave properly.
what you and farhad have in common is that both of your parents(grandparents in farhad's part) were kicked out for being spies for the Soviet and the British, respectively. Secondly, "withwashed" only refers to people of Oriental orgin who have lost their accent and their way of life. So if i were you, I would do some research.
p.s. don't give me that attitude, stop bitching about Afghanistan from the comfort of your home. Try living in Afghanistan for a week.

so you live in afghanistan then ?

spies for Soviets ? god damn boy wasnt masood wrkin for them ? and if he wasnt then when he got injured in the blast where did they take him for treatment or where did he get his ammo from?

i dont side non of the regimes in afghanistan, dont get me wrong you are just an adolescent who follows the steps of your villagers without knowing that all our leaders betrayed afghanistan and commited endless number of genocides.

you need to step inside HAQ and reality and stop siding someone just because he is from your tribe.

God is great he will never let any of his true warriors die such a shameful death like mazari , masood, najib and others.

your bro,

toloee_aftaab
12-24-2006, 08:42 AM
so you live in afghanistan then ?

spies for Soviets ? god damn boy wasnt masood wrkin for them ? and if he wasnt then when he got injured in the blast where did they take him for treatment or where did he get his ammo from?

i dont side non of the regimes in afghanistan, dont get me wrong you are just an adolescent who follows the steps of your villagers without knowing that all our leaders betrayed afghanistan and commited endless number of genocides.

you need to step inside HAQ and reality and stop siding someone just because he is from your tribe.

God is great he will never let any of his true warriors die such a shameful death like mazari , masood, najib and others.

your bro,

u need to stop listening to that extremist propaganda and open your eyes.

XLNC
12-24-2006, 09:01 AM
u need to stop listening to that extremist propaganda and open your eyes.

no need for further debate as debating with you is useless, you still believe in Santa Clause and gifts from the chimney.

suraya9
12-24-2006, 03:46 PM
i won't initiate an arguement with someone who hasn't been taught to behave properly.
what you and farhad have in common is that both of your parents(grandparents in farhad's part) were kicked out for being spies for the Soviet and the British, respectively. Secondly, "withwashed" only refers to people of Oriental orgin who have lost their accent and their way of life. So if i were you, I would do some research.
p.s. don't give me that attitude, stop bitching about Afghanistan from the comfort of your home. Try living in Afghanistan for a week.

some facts first kiddo..
I am 19 and you're 16..
I was born in afghanistan and it doesn't seem like you were
at sixteen you think you know more than me..it's ok you'll grow out of it..it's just that age
Grandparents? spies?..honey my grandparents passed away before i was even born and to remind you again i was born in afganistan so go figure..
Go **** yourself you sixteen year old piece of ****...we don't need ******'s followers in this forum..go to his forum..

p.s. i have lived in afghanistan for six years..and i know how it is..it is teenagers like you in the west that need that treatment..
adios

Farhad
12-24-2006, 04:16 PM
i won't initiate an arguement with someone who hasn't been taught to behave properly.
what you and farhad have in common is that both of your parents(grandparents in farhad's part) were kicked out for being spies for the Soviet and the British, respectively. Secondly, "withwashed" only refers to people of Oriental orgin who have lost their accent and their way of life. So if i were you, I would do some research.
p.s. don't give me that attitude, stop bitching about Afghanistan from the comfort of your home. Try living in Afghanistan for a week.


:lol: :lol: :lol: My Paternal and Maternal Grandparents left Afghansitan long before any war started..as for spying for the Soviets, it's been proven most of them are from the Panjsher Valley.

Dont make any assumptions when you dont know any fact...but what can be said about an Idiotic Moron like you.

toloee_aftaab
12-25-2006, 06:21 AM
i am verily talking with a bunch of idiots.
first off, i am 17.
second, i don't care about your whatever, traitors are traitors; the less the better.
thirdly, farhad has yet to grasp the meaning of the word "respectively". I will let him figure that out in the context of my last post.
fourthly, inferno, i am sure as hell not gonna listen to some madman who tells me to kill innocent people just because they were born into a different faith or belief.
p.s. soraya i would recommend u stop swearing now, it doesn't really help in the whole "family" context.

Ghezal_
12-25-2006, 06:39 AM
Go **** yourself you sixteen year old piece of ****...we don't need ******'s followers in this forum..go to his forum..


I don’t blame when men ask women to stay out of politics.
Now I can see why they say that.
It sounds so pathetic when some one starts swearing to get their points across.


Why don’t you guys get it? It was all those political parties who made our lives a living hell and still our young generation want to follow one or the other.

For me they were all criminals and I do not and will not feel sorry for any of them, they can all die and go to hell so that our innocent people can live normal lives.

Baktash
12-25-2006, 07:45 AM
some facts first kiddo..
I am 19 and you're 16..
I was born in afghanistan and it doesn't seem like you were
at sixteen you think you know more than me..it's ok you'll grow out of it..it's just that age
Grandparents? spies?..honey my grandparents passed away before i was even born and to remind you again i was born in afganistan so go figure..
Go **** yourself you sixteen year old piece of ****...we don't need ******'s followers in this forum..go to his forum..

p.s. i have lived in afghanistan for six years..and i know how it is..it is teenagers like you in the west that need that treatment..
adios


Suraya jan you are a nice person, calm down babe. Dont deal with him. He always says stupid things to others, and has no respect for women whatsoever.

XLNC
12-25-2006, 08:19 AM
i am verily talking with a bunch of idiots.
first off, i am 17.
second, i don't care about your whatever, traitors are traitors; the less the better.
thirdly, farhad has yet to grasp the meaning of the word "respectively". I will let him figure that out in the context of my last post.
fourthly, inferno, i am sure as hell not gonna listen to some madman who tells me to kill innocent people just because they were born into a different faith or belief.
p.s. soraya i would recommend u stop swearing now, it doesn't really help in the whole "family" context.

when i was 17, i way worst than you in thoughts, beliefs and assumptions. But life is a biological process in which your brain expands day by day, opening gates to new ways of thinking better thoughts and seeking things that are ought to be sought. I dont blame you for anything you say, infact i am glad at this young age you ever think of Afghanistan.

But inshallah with his guidance you might discover some brutal truth about all the wicked leaders who led our nation to nothing but destruction for their own material wishes.

ur bro,

Farhad
12-25-2006, 09:33 AM
I don’t blame when men ask women to stay out of politics.
Now I can see why they say that.
It sounds so pathetic when some one starts swearing to get their points across.


Why don’t you guys get it? It was all those political parties who made our lives a living hell and still our young generation want to follow one or the other.

For me they were all criminals and I do not and will not feel sorry for any of them, they can all die and go to hell so that our innocent people can live normal lives.

No one has the right to insult one's family and this Idiot Toolee has be going on and on about other's families.

As far as I am concern suraya jaan is a very polite girl and then there is a limits one can tolerate some idiots.

If they were to stop talking about families then there wont be any sort ugly conversation.

Those whose mind and heart being ruled by pride will never understand anything except thier own preceptions therefore others opinions are useless for them eventhough it is base on the fact. When the fact is mention they will loose control of thier pea size full of Sh!t brain and will indulge in insultation.

XLNC
12-25-2006, 09:36 AM
No one has the right to insult one's family and this Idiot Toolee has be going on and on about other's families.

As far as I am concern suraya jaan is a very polite girl and then there is a limits one can tolerate some idiots.

If they were to stop talking about families then there wont be any sort ugly conversation.

Those whose mind and heart being ruled by pride will never understand anything except thier own preceptions therefore others opinions are useless for them eventhough it is base on the fact. When the fact is mention they will loose control of thier pea size full of **** brain and will indulge in insultation.


you read the prince by the looks of it

XLNC
12-25-2006, 09:36 AM
No one has the right to insult one's family and this Idiot Toolee has be going on and on about other's families.

As far as I am concern suraya jaan is a very polite girl and then there is a limits one can tolerate some idiots.

If they were to stop talking about families then there wont be any sort ugly conversation.

Those whose mind and heart being ruled by pride will never understand anything except thier own preceptions therefore others opinions are useless for them eventhough it is base on the fact. When the fact is mention they will loose control of thier pea size full of **** brain and will indulge in insultation.


you read the prince by the looks of things

Ghezal_
12-25-2006, 10:21 AM
No one has the right to insult one's family and this Idiot Toolee has be going on and on about other's families.
As far as I am concern suraya jaan is a very polite girl and then there is a limits one can tolerate some idiots.
If they were to stop talking about families then there wont be any sort ugly conversation.


I know what you mean. I have never taken sides with anyone here or have supported them.

All I know is two wrongs don’t make it right.

If we don’t like someone’s comment it is better to ignore it...isn’t it rather then shooting back with same attitude then there will be no difference between them.

I have a brother in his age so I don’t get bothered when he says something rude because I know how guys are in his age. Yes I do get frustrated when he has negative comments towards every single thing but I know he will grow out of it and arguing and swearing back and forth will not help.


peace

Ghamai
12-25-2006, 11:00 AM
To be honest i will not argue wiht those who has been out from afghanistan since their childhood cause i saw every thing with my own eys and i have been my self to first lines of war, and while i was fighting for my country they were playing play stations i was going to school and sitting on the ground to learn something and they were going to most expensive universities or colleges i was trying to find food for my family and they were eating in Mcdonalds and other expensive resturants i was wearing clothes full of my afghans brother blood and they were wearing Versaces i lost my 4 brothers in one day and they were celebrating their birthdays. I am happy if my afghan brothers and sisters go to universities and colleges in other countries i want their life full of joy it dosen't mean that i am jealous but i ask them that for god sake search the truth and don't defence those who destroyd ur fatherland.But most of the times i am becoming disappointed because they they are defencing such kind of warlords that i say with myself god pls send them back to Afghanistan and let them stay there for the rest of their life and see the truth with their eys not with the eyes of media.

suraya9
12-25-2006, 11:11 AM
I know what you mean. I have never taken sides with anyone here or have supported them.

All I know is two wrongs don’t make it right.

If we don’t like someone’s comment it is better to ignore it...isn’t it rather then shooting back with same attitude then there will be no difference between them.

I have a brother in his age so I don’t get bothered when he says something rude because I know how guys are in his age. Yes I do get frustrated when he has negative comments towards every single thing but I know he will grow out of it and arguing and swearing back and forth will not help.


peace

sweety you have a brother his age and you're not bothered by his childish remarks....however i felt insulted when he started talking about my deceased ancestors...that's just wrong on so many levels....i insulted him..but he insulted Farhad's, baktash's and my family....so i suggest don't take this moron's side...he is another n@iam trying to spoil this forum for everyone else...his arguments don't make sense...first he says he's lived all his life in the west then he talks about the hardships of afghanistan..he hasn't lived there and i have...anyways..i don't have time for this..

@baktash..thanks i am actually calm now..:)

toloee_aftaab
12-25-2006, 06:32 PM
when u have any sort of patroitism toward your nation, it doesn't matter if u live on Mars as long as u show it.

Farhad
12-25-2006, 08:51 PM
when u have any sort of patroitism toward your nation, it doesn't matter if u live on Mars as long as u show it.

Aha! When it is about yourself it doesn't matter where you live but when it is about others
you called them Afghan wanna be.... what a lame or just that you are plain stupid:)

XLNC
12-25-2006, 09:05 PM
Aha! When it is about yourself it doesn't matter where you live but when it is about others
you called them Afghan wanna be.... what a lame or just that you are plain stupid:)

leave the kidddddd alone LOL

he is type who takes the long way home to avoid the neighbourhood bully.

Farhad
12-25-2006, 09:07 PM
leave the kidddddd alone LOL

he is type who takes the long way home to avoid the neighbourhood bully.

Chances are you are right

Ghezal_
12-26-2006, 06:58 AM
Seems like I am talking with bunch of walls

I don’t take sides knowing both parties are wrong and here you are all wrong arguing about something that will not take you guys anywhere.

All I am trying to say that a bunch of adults trying to bully a teenager really does not look good.

That is all

may Allah help you all. so much hattred is not healthy....:)

"Afghan_girl"
12-26-2006, 07:02 AM
lanat ba taliban

toloee_aftaab
12-26-2006, 07:10 AM
This boy don't understand a thing.. he is ruled by the pride and therefore he will be on the side of anyone as long they are the enemy of the Pashtoons.

For them the west is a savior but they failed to realised that the west and along with some traitor like Masood are the caused of all the misery in our motherland. They failed to realised that last 30 years of war in the motherlad were planned by outsiders, mainly the West, Iran and Pakistan Military. I for one will not blame any of these outsiders because the fault is within the country and that is on the shoulders of the War lords..those who are out to gain from the wars..

As you mention about Masood's monetary gain..Indeed it is true that his family holds vast property in Frace and with huge amout of monies in the European Bank.

The present Governor General of Canada was once a Reporter and she did investigate about Masood and his financial and According to that documentary shown on the Canada's CBC, Masood and his Family worth about US$ 480 millions. Ever wonder where did he got these large amount ot monies..

I am thinking what does Mulah Omar's worth ? Poor Mullah Omar he is pennyless

mullah omar is worth my imaginary shotgun

toloee_aftaab
12-26-2006, 07:15 AM
As far as I am concern suraya jaan is a very polite girl and then there is a limits one can tolerate some idiots.




what is next for you? treating women like slaves?:blink:

toloee_aftaab
12-26-2006, 07:16 AM
Chances are you are right

chances are you are wanted. show me one other member here who has had to change their username.

Farhad
12-26-2006, 01:36 PM
mullah omar is worth my imaginary shotgun

Because no real gun can get him ..so fools like you can only imagine or dream to get him...:lol: :lol:

Farhad
12-26-2006, 01:39 PM
what is next for you? treating women like slaves?:blink:


Go and ask those in 5shere first how thier women are being treated...then talk about others.

"Wash your own dirty laundry first before talking about others"

Farhad
12-26-2006, 01:41 PM
chances are you are wanted. show me one other member here who has had to change their username.

This is really funny.. lol change of what user name ? this is my real birth name and I dont have any other names so what is there to change.. except i drop my last name from it..


Wanted... by whom ? Northern Alliances ? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Great, I am wanted online lol hahahaha:lol: :lol:

what a moron:lol: :lol:

toloee_aftaab
12-26-2006, 01:43 PM
Go and ask those in 5shere first how thier women are being treated...then talk about others.



they are treated very well thank you

Farhad
12-26-2006, 01:47 PM
they are treated very well thank you

Really..only yesterdayI read how they are treated in the BBC news..and please dont be shy to admit how they are treated in that part of the afg.

toloee_aftaab
12-26-2006, 01:50 PM
Really..only yesterdayI read how they are treated in the BBC news..and please dont be shy to admit how they are treated in that part of the afg.

your source is the BBC's pashto service, my source is the people.
p.s. love the heart that hurts you
but never hurt the heart that loves you

Farhad
12-26-2006, 01:54 PM
your source is the BBC's pashto service, my source is the people.p.s. love the heart that hurts you
but never hurt the heart that loves you

What will these poor women say when they are burn alive and cut into pieces or stone to death or beated till thier bones cracked or raped till they can't walk..

Your source may be those men who did all those to those poor women, but 100%for sure your source is not those women which suffered these abuses.

toloee_aftaab
12-26-2006, 01:58 PM
What will these poor women say when they are burn alive and cut into pieces or stone to death or beated till thier bones cracked or raped till they can't walk..

Your source may be those men who did all those to those poor women, but 100%for sure your source is not those women which suffered these abuses.

stop falling in your own trap. it is ironic how you talk about human rights and the kind but your views contend at the other extreme of the spectrum.

"Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in school."

Farhad
12-26-2006, 02:00 PM
stop falling in your own trap. it is ironic how you talk about human rights and the kind but your views contend at the other extreme of the spectrum.

"Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in school."

My owm trap ? I for one will not fall for any.



Ps : time to cook my dinner

toloee_aftaab
12-26-2006, 02:01 PM
My owm trap ? I for one will not fall for any.



Ps : time to cook my dinner

coward! come back and face thy future!!!!!!!! muhahahahahaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Farhad
12-26-2006, 03:31 PM
coward! come back and face thy future!!!!!!!! muhahahahahaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:lol: Lol calling me coward lol , I have life kiddo not like you..depending on your mom to do everything for you.. i left because i have to cook and eat...

XLNC
12-26-2006, 03:36 PM
"Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in school."

what is ur education ? all the time u r on about education !

disectin frogs in the lab aint education boy, mixin some elements in a tube aint education.

1st education starts with respecting ur elders
2nd education is keeping ur gob zipped and observing.
3rd education teaches u not to jump into conclusions.
4th you are just a guinea pig for western secular education.

every1 is being nice to u in this forum for what ever reason including me.. but u always waste ur time postin non sense here.

Mohammad PBUH says "If you dont have anything nice to say, then stay silent"

Ghezal_
12-26-2006, 04:01 PM
what is ur education ? all the time u r on about education !

disectin frogs in the lab aint education boy, mixin some elements in a tube aint education.

1st education starts with respecting ur elders
2nd education is keeping ur gob zipped and observing.
3rd education teaches u not to jump into conclusions.
4th you are just a guinea pig for western secular education.

every1 is being nice to u in this forum for what ever reason including me.. but u always waste ur time postin non sense here.

Mohammad PBUH says "If you dont have anything nice to say, then stay silent"

well said!!!...

toloee_aftaab
12-26-2006, 05:34 PM
:lol: Lol calling me coward lol , I have life kiddo not like you..depending on your mom to do everything for you.. i left because i have to cook and eat...

mmm.....a 26 year old man typing nonsense on an afghan forum vesavus a 17 year old whom waterloo and macmaster are begging to attend their respective schools....:rolleyes:

toloee_aftaab
12-26-2006, 05:37 PM
what is ur education ? all the time u r on about education !

disectin frogs in the lab aint education boy, mixin some elements in a tube aint education.

1st education starts with respecting ur elders
2nd education is keeping ur gob zipped and observing.
3rd education teaches u not to jump into conclusions.
4th you are just a guinea pig for western secular education.

every1 is being nice to u in this forum for what ever reason including me.. but u always waste ur time postin non sense here.

Mohammad PBUH says "If you dont have anything nice to say, then stay silent"

you are no different fom those extremists who kill innocent people, using the mirage of religon to justify your views.

XLNC
12-26-2006, 05:49 PM
you are no different fom those extremists who kill innocent people, using the mirage of religon to justify your views.

khilmok de da kuja darakhta da kuja.... :dots:
p.s
u still need to solve this since u r highly educated

4+5 = ?

i will give u a hint as well its not 9 !

or an even easier one

7+9 = ?

suraya9
12-26-2006, 06:13 PM
khilmok de da kuja darakhta da kuja.... :dots:
p.s
u still need to solve this since u r highly educated

4+5 = ?

i will give u a hint as well its not 9 !

or an even easier one

7+9 = ?

lol inferno..he's still trying to figure it out....good one..now i know how to deal with teenagers...hahahah:D

XLNC
12-26-2006, 06:44 PM
lol inferno..he's still trying to figure it out....good one..now i know how to deal with teenagers...hahahah:D

i will solve it for him so he learns from an uneducated fella

7+9=16

also

7+9=10 he mite need to ask his teacher how , and maybe his school teacher needs to ask another academic for help .

or if he asks me nicely i will tell him how

and yeah there is another solution as well

7+9=20

so from above u can even prove that

16=10
16=20
10=20


..................................//

4+5=9

also

4+5=11


peace

XLNC
12-26-2006, 07:40 PM
and this is for when he is gona get older

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/mdanishyar/womenproblems.jpg

toloee_aftaab
12-27-2006, 04:39 AM
i will solve it for him so he learns from an uneducated fella

7+9=16

also

7+9=10 he mite need to ask his teacher how , and maybe his school teacher needs to ask another academic for help .

or if he asks me nicely i will tell him how

and yeah there is another solution as well

7+9=20

so from above u can even prove that

16=10
16=20
10=20


..................................//

4+5=9

also

4+5=11


peace

really, you have become a hypocrite by means and actions. you keep going on and on about how islam prohibits putting people down and all that "jihad" against the west stuff when in fact you are nothing but a deeply disturbed individual who is vaguely in search of his purpose in life.

AFG_EOD
12-27-2006, 05:22 PM
:blink:
i can't believe some of you here actually support the talibs... if you really love them so much, why didn't you go back to living under their rule when they weren't being pounded?
to sympathize with someone JUST because he is a "muslim" or "afghan" is retarded.

bahaar
12-28-2006, 01:19 AM
:blink:
i can't believe some of you here actually support the talibs... if you really love them so much, why didn't you go back to living under their rule when they weren't being pounded?
to sympathize with someone JUST because he is a "muslim" or "afghan" is retarded.

these so called talib supporters have never even seen a real talib in person let being able to comprehend what the poor afghans went through under their rule.

5 years, afghans were deprived of their right to an education (amongst countless other things) for five years...and for a nation whose literacy rate was low to begin with, it is far too long
anybody who supports such a group is an idiot in my book

Ghezal_
12-28-2006, 04:47 AM
Those people who support Taliban is not an idiot in my book but blinded. Those whom support talibs are mostly people who have never lived under their rule so what ever fairly tale they heard about them, they believed them with their eyes closed.

I have seen a few people here and there who have lived under Taliban rule but still support them and it was either because they worked for talibs or they carried same mentality as Taliban which was abusing men and specially women in different ways.

Omar
12-28-2006, 08:35 AM
Those people who support Taliban is not an idiot in my book but blinded. Those whom support talibs are mostly people who have never lived under their rule so what ever fairly tale they heard about them, they believed them with their eyes closed.

I have seen a few people here and there who have lived under Taliban rule but still support them and it was either because they worked for talibs or they carried same mentality as Taliban which was abusing men and specially women in different ways.

I have also met alot of people living under the rule of Taliban who were quite happy...what do you say about that?

Ghezal_
12-28-2006, 12:05 PM
I have also met alot of people living under the rule of Taliban who were quite happy...what do you say about that?


i say this about that...




I have seen a few people here and there who have lived under Taliban rule but still support them and it was either because they worked for talibs or they carried same mentality as Taliban which was abusing men and specially women in different ways.

Omar
12-28-2006, 01:09 PM
I have also met alot of people living under the rule of Taliban who were quite happy...what do you say about that?

i say this about that...



I have seen a few people here and there who have lived under Taliban rule but still support them and it was either because they worked for talibs or they carried same mentality as Taliban which was abusing men and specially women in different ways.

In other words, your logic is not valid and baseless?!?

toloee_aftaab
12-28-2006, 02:16 PM
I have also met alot of people living under the rule of Taliban who were quite happy...what do you say about that?

ROTFLOL

the only people who were happy under the taliban were either taliban themseleves, taliban accomplices, or murderers and rapists.

Farhad
12-28-2006, 03:45 PM
these so called talib supporters have never even seen a real talib in person let being able to comprehend what the poor afghans went through under their rule.

5 years, afghans were deprived of their right to an education (amongst countless other things) for five years...and for a nation whose literacy rate was low to begin with, it is far too long
anybody who supports such a group is an idiot in my book



I am sorry my dear, you failed to realised that those who were in power before the rised of Taliban Movement are to be blamed for everything that came after that.Now even after the fall of the Taliban Movement, What good has come to the country? May be here again you failed to realised that if the present govt are better then why the support for the return of the Taliban is on rise in Afghanistan ? One,two or few people can be stupid but millions upon millions decided and wanted Taliban to come back cannot be that stupid like the one in your book. Please do not judge everything by the tip of it but it's better if you could at least look at the roots of every problem. By chopping few branches will not give you a better apples but by understanding the method of growing will give you a better result. Try to understand why The Taliban Movement is popular now.

I bet if the Taliban movement were to participate in the election( which they will never be allowed due to the pressure by the west and some Afghan Traitors) they will grap the power by the ballot instead of bullet.

XLNC
12-28-2006, 03:46 PM
well... who is trying to defend the country right now?

and who has joined forces with the invaders ?

please dont post no bull$hit and refrain from childish comments, come up with convincin facts or you might as well keep it shut.

Ghezal_
12-28-2006, 06:45 PM
I really don’t like repeating myself over and over again. I think I have made my point and stated my opinion.

peace

Baktash
12-28-2006, 08:51 PM
Someone has sung a new song for Taliban. I couldnt find it online. But the first two lines of lyrics are something like this:

Jan Jan Taliban

Dil Dil Taliban

Farhad
12-28-2006, 10:13 PM
Someone has sung a new song for Taliban. I couldnt find it online. But the first two lines of lyrics are something like this:

Jan Jan Taliban

Dil Dil Taliban

Baktash zendabad:thumbup1: :thumbup1: :lol: :lol:

Omar
12-29-2006, 12:14 AM
Someone has sung a new song for Taliban. I couldnt find it online. But the first two lines of lyrics are something like this:

Jan Jan Taliban

Dil Dil Taliban

On a serious note, I am attaching one of my favorite Mujahideen/Taliban anthems...you might like it.

http://download.yousendit.com/7FC17B1073BAAD9F

bahaar
12-29-2006, 12:15 AM
I am sorry my dear, you failed to realised that those who were in power before the rised of Taliban Movement are to be blamed for everything that came after that.Now even after the fall of the Taliban Movement, What good has come to the country? May be here again you failed to realised that if the present govt are better then why the support for the return of the Taliban is on rise in Afghanistan ? One,two or few people can be stupid but millions upon millions decided and wanted Taliban to come back cannot be that stupid like the one in your book. Please do not judge everything by the tip of it but it's better if you could at least look at the roots of every problem. By chopping few branches will not give you a better apples but by understanding the method of growing will give you a better result. Try to understand why The Taliban Movement is popular now.

I bet if the Taliban movement were to participate in the election( which they will never be allowed due to the pressure by the west and some Afghan Traitors) they will grap the power by the ballot instead of bullet.

Farhad, dude, don't even get me started on you...you didn't even know that taliban was the plural form of talib until I told you...yet you act as if you're their representative or something. You know nothing of the taliban movement

And when did I say that the present government is great? I haven't been to afghanistan in a long time so I can't judge how the current government is and unlike you I don't read a bunch of biased articles and consider myself an expert in afghan politics. I speak from experience when I say taliban were not a good government. They did not allow girls to go to school, or women to have jobs. They did not grant basic human rights, they made their own rules and called it islam (and last time i checked that's considered a big sin)...i could go on and on

And do you honestly think that I don't want what's best for afghanistan? I was born there, I have many close relatives there...if taliban were actually the best choice for Afghanistan then I would support them, but unfortunately they are not.

I want afghans there to have basic human rights, to have their right to an education (as it clearly states in the Quran e Sharif) to not be treated like animals...is that too much to ask? You have these rights and more, why can't the afghans in afghanistan?

bahaar
12-29-2006, 12:34 AM
Those people who support Taliban is not an idiot in my book but blinded. Those whom support talibs are mostly people who have never lived under their rule so what ever fairly tale they heard about them, they believed them with their eyes closed.

yes...but what makes me angry is that they don't try and understand...i mean look at them they are using a computer do they know that that's against the taliban rule...im sure they watch movies or tv, listen to music, shave, show their hair etc...and im sure their women don't wear the burqua...don't they know all that is against the taliban rule? why is it okay for them to have these rights and not the afghans in afghanistan?...thats what makes me angry

bahaar
12-29-2006, 12:40 AM
I really don’t like repeating myself over and over again. I think I have made my point and stated my opinion.

peace

see what i mean...they just don't understand no matter how many times you tell them...you just go in circles with these people

bahaar
12-29-2006, 12:47 AM
Someone has sung a new song for Taliban. I couldnt find it online. But the first two lines of lyrics are something like this:

Jan Jan Taliban

Dil Dil Taliban

yukk *cringe*
i hope you're not serious cuz do you know what a talib would do to you if you went up to him and sang jan jan dil dil

Ghamai
12-29-2006, 01:22 AM
yes...but what makes me angry is that they don't try and understand...i mean look at them they are using a computer do they know that that's against the taliban rule...im sure they watch movies or tv, listen to music, shave, show their hair etc...and im sure their women don't wear the burqua...don't they know all that is against the taliban rule? why is it okay for them to have these rights and not the afghans in afghanistan?...thats what makes me angry

Ok Bahaar jan let me ask u something, What do u think of SHORYEE NEZAAR or the party of Ahmad shah masood ?

bahaar
12-29-2006, 01:31 AM
Ok Bahaar jan let me ask u something, What do u think of SHORYEE NEZAAR or the party of Ahmad shah masood ?

listen dude, like a said i speak from experience...where I was life was a lot better before taliban came

Omar
12-29-2006, 08:18 AM
listen dude, like a said i speak from experience...where I was life was a lot better before taliban came

No it wasn't! Because our cousins were murdered, and our own house was looted by Gelam Jams and Panjsheri Militias forcing us to flee the country.

toloee_aftaab
12-29-2006, 08:56 AM
No it wasn't! Because our cousins were murdered, and our own house was looted by Gelam Jams and Panjsheri Militias forcing us to flee the country.

you are being biased again.........i understand you might feel that way but not everyone does, in fact the majority don't.

Che iqbal ast yarab mawjae darya rahmat raa
Ke har kas rahm nadarat soyee too me ayand

Omar
12-29-2006, 09:05 AM
you are being biased again.........i understand you might feel that way but not everyone does, in fact the majority don't.

Che iqbal ast yarab mawjae darya rahmat raa
Ke har kas rahm nadarat soyee too me ayand

Hey Khelmok kid, don't try to teach me what I should feel and whom should I not look down upon.

There's no such thing as being biased when you have personally experienced a costly phenomena in life.

The fact is that the very Buz Parast nation that you praise and worship day and night looted Kabul, and my family and relatives' lives were greatly affected by their atrocities.

toloee_aftaab
12-29-2006, 09:10 AM
Hey Khelmok kid, don't try to teach me what I should feel and whom should I not look down upon.

There's no such thing as being biased when you have personally experienced a costly phenomena in life.

The fact is that the very Buz Parast nation that you praise and worship day and night looted Kabul, and my family and relatives' lives were greatly affected by their atrocities.

get over it...........i survived the 92 rocket attacks and they are nothign but a distant memory now......and even if that happened to you, it also happened to millions of other afghans....if u don't learn from history, u are doomed to repeat it.
p.s. plz don't use bad words in a logical arguement with me. it makes u look more insecure than u already are.

Farhad
12-29-2006, 09:42 AM
Farhad, dude, don't even get me started on you...you didn't even know that taliban was the plural form of talib until I told you...yet you act as if you're their representative or something. You know nothing of the taliban movement

And when did I say that the present government is great? I haven't been to afghanistan in a long time so I can't judge how the current government is and unlike you I don't read a bunch of biased articles and consider myself an expert in afghan politics. I speak from experience when I say taliban were not a good government. They did not allow girls to go to school, or women to have jobs. They did not grant basic human rights, they made their own rules and called it islam (and last time i checked that's considered a big sin)...i could go on and on

And do you honestly think that I don't want what's best for afghanistan? I was born there, I have many close relatives there...if taliban were actually the best choice for Afghanistan then I would support them, but unfortunately they are not.
I want afghans there to have basic human rights, to have their right to an education (as it clearly states in the Quran e Sharif) to not be treated like animals...is that too much to ask? You have these rights and more, why can't the afghans in afghanistan?


Salam. as I've said before you can't blame everything on the Taliban..Why people failed to realised in the first place why did Taliban Movement came into being. I, my self realised that Taliban are not perfect or rather they are far from perfect but from my observation and look back at the history of Afghanistan, I realised that only the Movement of Taliban can bring peace to the country. With Peace intact then the rest will follow.
As for all the things you mention about Educations, Women's rights and others, have you realised that these was not there even before Taliban came to power.. Yes Indeed in some places some girls were allowed to attend schools but Average of 85 % of girls are uneducated even before the Taliban.

You brought up the human rights of women but where was these right before Taliban came..lets not fool ourselves by believing that every women have right to do what so ever they want. That is Afghansitan, which was ruled and oppressed by culture.
Yes, The Taliban are conservative movement so they rather emphasize in bringing peace first then the rest later..
Lets not fool ourselves again by saying that Taliban is against educations for females but rather they are all for the education according of islamic way as what was practice during the golden era of islam where there are not influenced by the unislamic process.

In some area in Afghansitan, especially in south where some schools are teaching Christianity to the students and these is what Taliban wanted to stop and these schools are operated by western NGO. do you know that ?

in most cases these schools are burned down by criminals who tried to black mailed those NGO's for monies and when not paid they are burned down but who get the blames ? of course the Taliban. last month two teachers was killed because they rejected the advances by some men but who was blamed ? oh yes Taliban did it ..

When foreign spies was captured by Taliban and killed, guess what they are not spies at all and all of sudden they are engineers from others countries came to help build Afghansitan.

when the Taliban took power the war was raging in the country and how many schools were operating then in the Capital alone for girls ? Taliban was more intrested for the safety of the Afghan women first..Taliban is a very strict in their way of running the law..but one need to ask why are they so strict. The reason was before the Taliban took power Afghansitan was ruled by Wild Animals with human mask and these are the Animals who have destroyed the country and raped girls and made of of them widow. They will do anything as they wished and took anything..even girls from their parents home.
So how do you expect the Taliban to do in taming these Animals which belong to all the war lords.
Do you know what was the numbers of girls raped before Taliban and After Taliban came and do you know how many girls are raped now after Taliban is not in power ?

I also want the Afghan to have what I have but I also realised the situation in Afghansitan is far different from where I was raised and where I live. For that people always wonder how can I be a like this.. As far as I am concern Afghansitan need peace first then the rest will come in due time in stages. By far I have realised that only Taliban can bring the peace..
Yes there is solutions by inviting the Taliban into the current govt and the west must leave after the Real Elected Govt in form.( this is my dream that there to be no more war but rather the changes by discussion and ballot rather by bullets) But I also know that the American will not allow Afghan to have their choice of Govt rather they want their puppet to be the ruler in the Country.

Farhad
12-29-2006, 09:43 AM
get over it...........i survived the 92 rocket attacks and they are nothign but a distant memory now......and even if that happened to you, it also happened to millions of other afghans....if u don't learn from history, u are doomed to repeat it.
p.s. plz don't use bad words in a logical arguement with me. it makes u look more insecure than u already are.




50 miles away may be :lol: :lol:

Farhad
12-29-2006, 09:46 AM
listen dude, like a said i speak from experience...where I was life was a lot better before taliban came



Thats where you lived but have you tought about those who were no so fortunate as you and your family are ? Lets think deeper now, why are the Taliban are so popular now then they were before ? why more then half of the populations want them to come back ?

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: I wonder why ?

Baktash
12-29-2006, 09:48 AM
i survived the 92 rocket attacks .


yak matal hast ke mega banjaan e bad ra balaa namezana :D kidding

Baktash
12-29-2006, 11:23 AM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=c9bdo91qF08

toloee_aftaab
12-29-2006, 11:24 AM
50 miles away may be :lol: :lol:

yep and you were how far away?:blink:

XLNC
12-29-2006, 12:44 PM
yak matal hast ke mega banjaan e bad ra balaa namezana

L:yes:L


u have to have deep knowledge and know the purpose of your life on earth to understand what fighting for the sake of Supreme is and who its against. Otherwise you are just going to have to side your own tribes men regardless of what they hide simply because they come from the same place as you.

i am Barakzai but i dont side Karzai or some other corrupt pashtoon like Najib-e-gow.

and i am not racist what so ever in any sense, but to be honest we have had some really corrupt pashtoon leaders as well as tajiks. And Tajiks who are our brothers/sisters should realize the fact that they can never take control of power in afghanistan they have to live with it.... and maybe if they behave themselves we will be able to share the power with them equally.

but unfortunatly they are the first ones to run and embrace the invaders as known clearly by history...

maybe its about time we forget about past and focus on future and stop siding invaders who sends the "afghan army" to front lines to kill our own people while they hide or use air assault to bring down our mosques and houses.

Farhad
12-29-2006, 02:09 PM
yep and you were how far away?:blink:

At least I dont lie and bragged for something that never exist----> :lol: :lol:


92 ..damn this number will remain in my mind for sometime :lol: :lol: :lol: what a joke..oppps what a lie:lol:

Farhad
12-29-2006, 02:20 PM
L:yes:L


u have to have deep knowledge and know the purpose of your life on earth to understand what fighting for the sake of Supreme is and who its against. Otherwise you are just going to have to side your own tribes men regardless of what they hide simply because they come from the same place as you.

i am Barakzai but i dont side Karzai or some other corrupt pashtoon like Najib-e-gow.

and i am not racist what so ever in any sense, but to be honest we have had some really corrupt pashtoon leaders as well as tajiks. And Tajiks who are our brothers/sisters should realize the fact that they can never take control of power in afghanistan they have to live with it.... and maybe if they behave themselves we will be able to share the power with them equally.

but unfortunatly they are the first ones to run and embrace the invaders as known clearly by history...

maybe its about time we forget about past and focus on future and stop siding invaders who sends the "afghan army" to front lines to kill our own people while they hide or use air assault to bring down our mosques and houses.

I totally agree with your statement and hope all these corrupted dogs will get rid off soon and then we will have a Real country where everyone live in peace. It does not matter who these dogs are, let them be a Pashtoon, Tajik or Hazaras. They need to be wipe out.

I been branded as Racist just because my choice was different from them, which they also failed to accept that those who called me racist are far more worst then I am because deep down in thier heart they have this deep hatred for our clans and tribes..

I also agree with your statement that the non-Pashtoon are the first one to embraced foreigner so that they can rule with the help of Invaders.

We need to realise that we have only one country and it is Afghansitan but for some they have others place to call Motherland. Our will always be our dear Motherland Afghansitan.

bahaar
12-30-2006, 04:56 PM
Salam. as I've said before you can't blame everything on the Taliban..Why people failed to realised in the first place why did Taliban Movement came into being. I, my self realised that Taliban are not perfect or rather they are far from perfect but from my observation and look back at the history of Afghanistan, I realised that only the Movement of Taliban can bring peace to the country. With Peace intact then the rest will follow.
As for all the things you mention about Educations, Women's rights and others, have you realised that these was not there even before Taliban came to power.. Yes Indeed in some places some girls were allowed to attend schools but Average of 85 % of girls are uneducated even before the Taliban.
Do you honestly listen to yourself when you speak??? So what you're saying is that because not all girls were able to go to school then NO girls should go to school?
at least before many girls did go to school but when Taliban came NO girls were allowed to go to school...and could you please provide the source where you get your information from?



You brought up the human rights of women but where was these right before Taliban came..lets not fool ourselves by believing that every women have right to do what so ever they want. That is Afghansitan, which was ruled and oppressed by culture.
Yes, The Taliban are conservative movement so they rather emphasize in bringing peace first then the rest later..
Lets not fool ourselves again by saying that Taliban is against educations for females but rather they are all for the education according of islamic way as what was practice during the golden era of islam where there are not influenced by the unislamic process.

In some area in Afghansitan, especially in south where some schools are teaching Christianity to the students and these is what Taliban wanted to stop and these schools are operated by western NGO. do you know that ?

Why don't you stop fooling yourself??? TALIBAN CLOSED DOWN SCHOOLS FOR GIRLS PERMANENTLY AND FIRED ALL FEMALE TEACHERS!!!!
And what the hell are you talking about 'islamic way' of course schools in Afghanistan were Islamic..from grade one girls and boys had SEPARATE schools and learning to read the quran and islam was one of the mandatory subjects...schools in Afghanistan were VERY ISLAMIC!!!! I repeat TALIBAN CLOSED DOWN ALL SCHOOLS FOR GIRLS PERMANENTLY and unlike you I don't make up crap... I'm a girl I was in Afghanistan when taliban came and my mother was a teacher...and when Taliban came my (islamic) school was CLOSED DOWN PERMANENTLY and my mother was fired along with all the other female teachers

Again where are you getting your information from?
if in fact there were schools teaching christianity why didn't the taliban close down only those schools...why did they close down ALL the girls schools?




in most cases these schools are burned down by criminals who tried to black mailed those NGO's for monies and when not paid they are burned down but who get the blames ? of course the Taliban. last month two teachers was killed because they rejected the advances by some men but who was blamed ? oh yes Taliban did it ..

When foreign spies was captured by Taliban and killed, guess what they are not spies at all and all of sudden they are engineers from others countries came to help build Afghansitan.

when the Taliban took power the war was raging in the country and how many schools were operating then in the Capital alone for girls ? Taliban was more intrested for the safety of the Afghan women first..
really? is that why they would beat them up with sticks?



Taliban is a very strict in their way of running the law..but one need to ask why are they so strict. The reason was before the Taliban took power Afghansitan was ruled by Wild Animals with human mask and these are the Animals who have destroyed the country and raped girls and made of of them widow. They will do anything as they wished and took anything..even girls from their parents home.
and taliban were angels who never did any of that??



So how do you expect the Taliban to do in taming these Animals which belong to all the war lords.
Do you know what was the numbers of girls raped before Taliban and After Taliban came and do you know how many girls are raped now after Taliban is not in power ?
im talking about how they treated innocent civilians...they have NO right or justification to abuse innocent men and women on the streets, none whatsoever!



I also want the Afghan to have what I have but I also realised the situation in Afghansitan is far different from where I was raised and where I live. For that people always wonder how can I be a like this.. As far as I am concern Afghansitan need peace first then the rest will come in due time in stages. By far I have realised that only Taliban can bring the peace..
You're kidding yourself if you actually think that taliban can 'bring peace'....but hey whatever makes you happy...you seem to never want to accept the truth about taliban and that's fine it really doesn't matter what you think of them



Yes there is solutions by inviting the Taliban into the current govt and the west must leave after the Real Elected Govt in form.( this is my dream that there to be no more war but rather the changes by discussion and ballot rather by bullets) But I also know that the American will not allow Afghan to have their choice of Govt rather they want their puppet to be the ruler in the Country.
Taliban can burn in hell along with their ex-friends, America and Pakistan :)

bahaar
12-30-2006, 05:12 PM
No it wasn't! Because our cousins were murdered, and our own house was looted by Gelam Jams and Panjsheri Militias forcing us to flee the country.

I understand, i'v lost relatives as well during the wars and im sure almost all afghans who lived in afghanistan can say the same...but Taliban were certainly no better, you'd understand if lived there while they were in power.
and like i said where I was (which wasn't the capital) things were improving the couple of years before taliban came

bahaar
12-30-2006, 05:23 PM
Thats where you lived but have you tought about those who were no so fortunate as you and your family are ? Lets think deeper now, why are the Taliban are so popular now then they were before ? why more then half of the populations want them to come back ?

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: I wonder why ?

don't act as if i am the lucky one...you know nothing about me or what afghans in afghanistan went through

Farhad
12-30-2006, 05:25 PM
Taliban can burn in hell along with their ex-friends, America and Pakistan :)

So can you with those who you support :yes: you have your preceptions and others have thiers

time will tell the truth and reveal the fact

Farhad
12-30-2006, 05:28 PM
don't act as if i am the lucky one...you know nothing about me or what afghans in afghanistan went through

Thats what you think:yes:

bahaar
12-30-2006, 05:34 PM
So can you with those who you support :yes: you have your preceptions and others have thiers

time will tell the truth and reveal the fact

and so can you:)
and unlike you i don't worship people

Ghezal_
12-30-2006, 05:36 PM
Look farhad jan.

We all have our families including our fathers, brothers and husbands to give us support in life so we don’t some moron idiot who does not know anything about life and have never been to school decides for us what to do and what not to do

It doesn’t sound to me as if your treat your woman the way talibs were treating other women so stop pretending to be one. You are not doing anything according to what talibs were doing. so please stop pretending and be who you are.

By putting some guys picture with gun in your signature does not make you talib.

And you do not know what us people have been through in Afghanistan.

Farhad
12-30-2006, 05:36 PM
and so can you:)
and unlike you i don't worship people

Me whoship people..in your dream may be...I only worship one god not like you full of hatred and malicious and hateful mentality

bahaar
12-30-2006, 05:43 PM
Me whoship people..in your dream may be...I only worship one god not like you full of hatred and malicious and hateful mentality

the way you blindly support the talibs it sure seems like you do...and you're clearly the one full of hatred.

Farhad
12-30-2006, 05:46 PM
Look farhad jan.

We all have our families including our fathers, brothers and husbands to give us support in life so we don’t some moron idiot who does not know anything about life and have never been to school decides for us what to do and what not to do

It doesn’t sound to me as if your treat your woman the way talibs were treating other women so stop pretending to be one. You are not doing anything according to what talibs were doing. so please stop pretending and be who you are.

By putting some guys picture with gun in your signature does not make you talib.

And you do not know what us people have been through in Afghanistan.

I will never treat any woman like how they were treated by those animals in Afghanistan. But allow me to ask you, How was the treatment of women in general in Afg before the Taliban came to power and after the Taliban lost the power ? . Why no one is blaming those who are not Taliban but everyone is pointing thier fingers at the Taliban movement ?

Who are burning those girls and cuting their body parts in Herat, Badakshan, Mazar e Sharis and countless places in Afghansitan now ? was it the Taliban directed that too ?

As for moron Idiots , well my dear there are millions of them In afghansitan not just some Talibs ..
May be most of you failed to read the reason I am supporting them.. I have mention it before again and again.

I know what they've been through and I'm deeply sadden by all that. But I will never lay the blames on one party when it is commited by almost everyone

Farhad
12-30-2006, 05:48 PM
the way you blindly support the talibs it sure seems like you do...and you're clearly the one full of hatred.

I started to support them only after 2002 before that i have this passion for supporting the Masood camp.. suprised ? By god I swear now my eyes are more open then before..

bahaar
12-30-2006, 05:58 PM
I started to support them only after 2002 before that i have this passion for supporting the Masood camp.. suprised ? By god I swear now my eyes are more open then before..

you need to stop passionately supporting one group or another...the fact is that NO government up to date has been able to bring peace to afghanistan...and if you think that i actually consider you as a talib then you've mistaken

Farhad
12-30-2006, 06:01 PM
Look farhad jan.

We all have our families including our fathers, brothers and husbands to give us support in life so we don’t some moron idiot who does not know anything about life and have never been to school decides for us what to do and what not to do.

Of the 30 yrs of war, only 5 yrs The Taliban was in the power..So how come you dont point your grudge and feeling of resentment toward those who were in power before the Taliban ? They screwed the country worst then ever and because of them the Taliban came to power.

Ghezal_
12-30-2006, 06:03 PM
Oh wow and I thought you are one of the smart ones,

Just because everyone has treated women badly in Afghanistan does not mean we should take sides at least with one of those parties.

Talib has not done anything good in Afghanistan Farhad jan and when you say you support them because no one had respected women you really don’t sound good.

I for one am not defending any political party.

Najib was Russia’s dog

Mujahideen was US’s dog

Talib was pakistan’s dog

these were the only ones i remember.

Why you guys are so naïve to see that.

Farhad
12-30-2006, 06:07 PM
you need to stop passionately supporting one group or another...the fact is that NO government up to date has been able to bring peace to afghanistan...and if you think that i actually consider you as a talib then you've mistaken

May be, like I've said that you have your own preceptions abd others have thiers. I for one are not trying to support one so that the others can be elininated and wiped out but I realised that only the Taliban Movement can bring peace and thier 5 yrs in power has proven it...I also realised that the Taliban are much harsh but at least there is peace.

Without peace there can never be any development and corruption will be so rampant and out of control, Drug trader will rule the land as it is now. Only The Taliban can stop all this.

I beg Allah to correct me when I am wrong and so far my heart says that I am on the right side until I am shown to the other direction..

Farhad
12-30-2006, 06:12 PM
Oh wow and I thought you are one of the smart ones,

Just because everyone has treated women badly in Afghanistan does not mean we should take sides at least with one of those parties.

Talib has not done anything good in Afghanistan Farhad jan and when you say you support them because no one had respected women you really don’t sound good.

I for one am not defending any political party.

Najib was Russia’s dog

Mujahideen was US’s dog

Talib was pakistan’s dog

these were the only ones i remember.

Why you guys are so naïve to see that.


Nope my dear, I am not and I've not claimed to be one of the smart one.. But believe me you've misunderstood me all this while..but anyways I always beg allah to correct me.


Ps: I never got 99% or 112 % in any subject or test

bahaar
12-30-2006, 06:19 PM
Oh wow and I thought you are one of the smart ones,

Just because everyone has treated women badly in Afghanistan does not mean we should take sides at least with one of those parties.

Talib has not done anything good in Afghanistan Farhad jan and when you say you support them because no one had respected women you really don’t sound good.

I for one am not defending any political party.

Najib was Russia’s dog

Mujahideen was US’s dog

Talib was pakistan’s dog

these were the only ones i remember.

Why you guys are so naïve to see that.

i defiantly agree with you there, Saghar

Ghezal_
12-30-2006, 06:20 PM
iknow everyone has been mean to women in Afghanistan one way or another but please answer me with honesty.

do you support this man hitting these women while a little kid is watching? and please do not answer me more then a yes or no and then i will stop annoying you.

yes or no?



http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/6229/talibanbeatingit6.jpg

Farhad
12-30-2006, 06:23 PM
iknow everyone has been mean to women in Afghanistan one way or another but please answer me with honesty.

do you support this man hitting these women while a little kid is watching? and please do not answer me more then a yes or no and then i will stop annoying you.

yes or no?



http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/6229/talibanbeatingit6.jpg

NO...and if I was there I would've stop him from doing that

BY god you are not annoying me at all...I have too much respect for you. We all have differences but you are one of those who have gained my respect..

bahaar
12-30-2006, 06:26 PM
iknow everyone has been mean to women in Afghanistan one way or another but please answer me with honesty.

do you support this man hitting these women while a little kid is watching? and please do not answer me more then a yes or no and then i will stop annoying you.

yes or no?



http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/6229/talibanbeatingit6.jpg

i saw a talib hit a lady with a stick too (it's quite common with those bastards)...and i think i was 7 yrs old at the time

Ghezal_
12-30-2006, 06:27 PM
NO...and if I was there I would've stop him from doing that

I knew you are a better person then those losers. :thumbup1:

good night

Farhad
12-30-2006, 07:55 PM
I knew you are a better person then those losers. :thumbup1:

good night


Billions are better then me:yes:

Hasib
12-30-2006, 10:47 PM
i saw a talib hit a lady with a stick too (it's quite common with those bastards)...and i think i was 7 yrs old at the time

How old are you now? :rolleyes:

bahaar
12-30-2006, 11:05 PM
How old are you now? :rolleyes:

will be turning 19 on feb.17
why do you ask:rolleyes:

Hasib
12-30-2006, 11:38 PM
Ametor.. I was curious. :shy:

Baktash
12-31-2006, 02:31 AM
Why are Taliban being held to different standards than other goverments. If Karzai goverment does something wrong, many say that well because it is a new goverment and such and so. But Taliban are expected to be perfect. Humans can not be perfect. Even some Prophets peace be upon them have made minor mistakes.

Beating a lady in public for a crime without any trial in court is not Islamic. But it should not overshadow all the good things Taliban had done. This image is from Rawa's site. And Americans have used it for their propaganda extensively.

It is pathetic that some people talk more about this image:


http://i18.tinypic.com/2e2mlxv.jpg


than this image:

http://i13.tinypic.com/4h7q88y.jpg


The first image has received more condemnation and used in every propaganda against the Taliban. But the second image has been forgotten.



Women in general were never safer under any government than the Taliban's. Before the Taliban, girls used to jump off buildings to avoid rape by the so-called Mujahideen. Women's breasts were cut. Women were abducted. Taliban put an end to all this and brought most of those who had committed the horrific crimes to justice. One example is Abdul ali Mazari who was executed by the Taliban when they took over Kabul.

I have hundreds of relatives in Kabul. Half of them are female. I asked most of them if they felt safer under the Taliban or now. All of them said that the Taliban times were safer and they felt more secure when they went out. No one on the streets dared to harass women.

Farhad
12-31-2006, 08:11 AM
Why are Taliban being held to different standards than other goverments. If Karzai goverment does something wrong, many say that well because it is a new goverment and such and so. But Taliban are expected to be perfect. Humans can not be perfect. Even some Prophets peace be upon them have made minor mistakes.

Beating a lady in public for a crime without any trial in court is not Islamic. But it should not overshadow all the good things Taliban had done. This image is from Rawa's site. And Americans have used it for their propaganda extensively.

It is pathetic that some people talk more about this image:


http://i18.tinypic.com/2e2mlxv.jpg


than this image:

http://i13.tinypic.com/4h7q88y.jpg


The first image has received more condemnation and used in every propaganda against the Taliban. But the second image has been forgotten.



Women in general were never safer under any government than the Taliban's. Before the Taliban, girls used to jump off buildings to avoid rape by the so-called Mujahideen. Women's breasts were cut. Women were abducted. Taliban put an end to all this and brought most of those who had committed the horrific crimes to justice. One example is Abdul ali Mazari who was executed by the Taliban when they took over Kabul.

I have hundreds of relatives in Kabul. Half of them are female. I asked most of them if they felt safer under the Taliban or now. All of them said that the Taliban times were safer and they felt more secure when they went out. No one on the streets dared to harass women.

Well Said Baktash Jaan..

Farhad
12-31-2006, 08:34 AM
By putting some guys picture with gun in your signature does not make you talib.

.

Well, My dear Saghar Jaan. About that picture..I dont know if you remember that there was a thread about how some of us look and there was a site which could match up you with those your look alike . At that time I was matched with that Dean Cain guy but I also realised that how close I look alike with this guy Nik Mohammad Waziri. Who also happen to look like Dean Cain ( Without the Longi) :lol:

So, Not only I admire this Nik Mohammad but also we both resembles each other.

May Allah Blessed his Soul and place him in Paradise

Hasib
12-31-2006, 11:10 AM
Why are Taliban being held to different standards than other goverments. If Karzai goverment does something wrong, many say that well because it is a new goverment and such and so. But Taliban are expected to be perfect. Humans can not be perfect. Even some Prophets peace be upon them have made minor mistakes.

Beating a lady in public for a crime without any trial in court is not Islamic. But it should not overshadow all the good things Taliban had done. This image is from Rawa's site. And Americans have used it for their propaganda extensively.






The first image has received more condemnation and used in every propaganda against the Taliban. But the second image has been forgotten.






I partly agree with you Taliban government was even better with the current government but it had two flaws that they didn't let girls to join school and the country (Afghanistan) did not develop from other aspects as it's now developing.

But now adays when the country is developing there are many other things along them when you see those things you wish that Taliban come back, I've been to Kabul during the Taliban regime and believe me I felt really secured but once again when I was seeing the girls who didn't go to School I felt bad for them. Another good point in their time was that during the prayers time you wouldnt find anyone on the road. Owners left their shops open sometimes to go for prayers and no one dared to steal a pin from the shop.

The other two things which I saw from them was slapping a lady right across the face in a shopping mall which they shouldn't have done instead they could snab her to cover her face. 2nd one night I was coming from somewhere to home that couple of talibs stopped my car and asked me in Urdu " Kedhar Se Aa Rahe Ho?" (Where are you coming from?). I thought with myself it should be only Afghan talibs in here not the Paki dogs.

Now why do everyone sitting in West blame the talibans???

It's actually because they've been given a bad picture of a talib nothing else, there have been always bads between several goods. History repeats itself, we had bad people among the good people even in Najib's time, Sardar M.Dawood Khan's time, etc but it doesn't mean they were all bad.

Recently I heard from a relative that Taliban has warned the people in Suburban parts of the country that whoever works for the Government or a private/government NGO will be killed, Now I don't think they are the talib they used to be/were, it's just some real paki/american dogs.

Peace.

toloee_aftaab
12-31-2006, 07:37 PM
Nope my dear, I am not and I've not claimed to be one of the smart one.. But believe me you've misunderstood me all this while..but anyways I always beg allah to correct me.


Ps: I never got 99% or 112 % in any subject or test

hey u either never had bonuses or your parents were ashamed of having such a dumb kid.:thumbup1:

Farhad
12-31-2006, 07:48 PM
hey u either never had bonuses or your parents were ashamed of having such a dumb kid.:thumbup1:

Thank god, I have the most understanding parents. Where I dont have to lie about my academic achivement to them or to anyone :lol: :lol: Or brag of something which never exist ...lol 112 % ..that is a first :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

toloee_aftaab
12-31-2006, 07:50 PM
read post 131 very carefully. i guess the concept of " thinking twice before replying once" doesn't apply to you.

Farhad
12-31-2006, 07:52 PM
read post 131 very carefully. i guess the concept of " thinking twice before replying once" doesn't apply to you.

We, who talk with sense and think with our brain dont need to do that..only idiot like you got to do it :lol: :lol: Mr. 112 %

toloee_aftaab
12-31-2006, 07:58 PM
We, who talk with sense and think with our brain dont need to do that..only idiot like you got to do it :lol: :lol: Mr. 112 %

hey compliment me all you want.:D

Farhad
12-31-2006, 08:01 PM
hey compliment me all you want.:D

If you think that Is a COMPLIMENTS then so be it ... but you know what it really means.. dont you Mr.112% ?

toloee_aftaab
12-31-2006, 08:04 PM
If you think that Is a COMPLIMENTS then so be it ... but you know what it really means.. dont you Mr.112% ?

hey another grammer mistake by farhad...i am having a field day here.:D

Saeed
01-01-2007, 01:11 AM
Need I call nanny 911?

That show was amazing, for the first one at least.

"No, don't aid your snobby child when she asks for a jar to smash by giving her. Instead tell her nicely a no." with an odd british accented lady giving advice to 2 sets of kids (parents and the children, because both were acting ever so maturely and smartly).

Book smart anti-talib teen: "I achieve well in school"
Greatest Afghan in history: "lol, you idiot"
Book smart anti-talib teen: "But I do, here I shall post my marks on an online forum"
Greatest Afghan in history: "thehe, you think you are smart, don't you mr smart, you idiot, lol"

And repeat this process a few times, maybe with slight deviations here and there, and ladies and gents, what we get is entertainment for me at new year's day. Thanks a lot. Eid mubarak gents. :)

XLNC
01-01-2007, 01:35 PM
Need I call nanny 911?

That show was amazing, for the first one at least.

"No, don't aid your snobby child when she asks for a jar to smash by giving her. Instead tell her nicely a no." with an odd british accented lady giving advice to 2 sets of kids (parents and the children, because both were acting ever so maturely and smartly).

Hook smart anti-talib teen: "I achieve well in school"
Greatest Afghan in history: "lol, you idiot"
Hook smart anti-talib teen: "But I do, here I shall post my marks on an online forum"
Greatest Afghan in history: "thehe, you think you are smart, don't you mr smart, you idiot, lol"

And repeat this process a few times, maybe with slight deviations here and there, and ladies and gents, what we get is entertainment for me at new year's day. Thanks a lot. Eid mubarak gents. :)

the show must go on LOL

Ghezal_
01-02-2007, 02:19 PM
Billions are better then me:yes:


I certainly hope so Farhad jan.:shy:

Ghezal_
01-02-2007, 02:23 PM
At that time I was matched with that Dean Cain guy

Farhad jan I have lost my phone number, can I have yours...lol ...omg i m trying to pick up a "talib" from online... God Kill me now...lol

dont mind im teasing...

Farhad
01-02-2007, 05:56 PM
Farhad jan I have lost my phone number, can I have yours...lol ...omg i m trying to pick up a "talib" from online... God Kill me now...lol

dont mind im teasing...

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: sure Saghar jaan,..... here it is 1-888-GO TALIB:lol:

Ghezal_
01-03-2007, 12:37 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: sure Saghar jaan,..... here it is 1-888-GO TALIB:lol:

Well I called the number you gave me and it turned out to be *ahem* *ahem*
dude that is just nasty. Get a real job Farhad jan and make us proud...:sneaky2:

Farhad
01-03-2007, 06:19 PM
Well I called the number you gave me and it turned out to be *ahem* *ahem*
dude that is just nasty. Get a real job Farhad jan and make us proud...:sneaky2:

Are you serious ? I just called that number lol ....1-888-468-2542 and It says :That you've just called cannot be reach" :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I had to called that number because now I felt so bad about it...well anyways I guess you are just pulling my legs Saghar Jaan

Ghezal_
01-04-2007, 01:29 PM
Are you serious ? I just called that number lol ....1-888-468-2542 and It says :That you've just called cannot be reach" :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I had to called that number because now I felt so bad about it...well anyways I guess you are just pulling my legs Saghar Jaan

Of course I was, can’t believe you called the number to check….:huh:

Farhad
01-04-2007, 05:35 PM
Of course I was, can’t believe you called the number to check….:huh:

I had to call after you told me what was it and I wanted to be sure it is not number for Nasty place. Now I know you are pulling my legs