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    Originally posted by oslonor
    This Video is called Dokhtar Kabuli or a Girl from Kabul. What is interesting is an Azeri Turk pretending to be a Persian is singing for an Indian Girl who is dancing with a Sari. The number of errors in this video is unlimited. Azeri Turks do not live in Khorasan province next to Afghanistan as it is presented in the Video. There is no Afghan or Kabuli girl in the video. Instead the girl is an Indian girl. And Azeri Turks have no ethnic relations with Afghans. The video ends with Azeri Turk riding a car with the "Afghan Kabuli" girl and approaches the Iranian border from Afghanistan side. In other words the the Azeri Turk Iranian finds an Afghan "Kabuli" woman and brings her to Iran. The video is pointing out that rich Azeri Turks from Iran should go to Afghanistan and bring Afghani woman to Iran. This is called by Azeri Turk Iranians as "Aryanization of Azeri Turks into Aryans". You can read more about it under "The Policy of Turkification of Iran". This video is supposed to mark the start of Afghani woman trade by Azeri Turk Iranian regime in Tehran. The Tehran regime does not encourage regional trade or expansion of trade between neighboring Khorasan Persian Province and Herat, but wants to have only Azeri-Turk Tehran trade relation with Kabol. This is even clear from the name of the video. "Dokhtare Kaboli" instead for "Dokhtare Herati" or "Dokhtare Mashhadi". Also the Azeri Iranian guy is not some local Persian from neighboring province of Khorasan but some rich Azeri Turk from Tehran who has stolen millions of dollars in oil revenue and drives a latest model car.

    Mr. Tehran has posted this video
    Dokhtar Kabuli Video by Azeri Turk Iranian Shahab Tiam
    http://www.bia2.com/video/player.php?id=52

    Mr. Tehran has also posted this picture showing "black Persians" . This is an attempt to say all Iranians are Persians and all of them look like Azeris. That is a good way to cover their Azeri Turk ethnicity.

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    Originally posted by Tehran
    Originally posted by oslonor
    Mr. Tehran has posted this video
    Dokhtar Kabuli Video by Azeri Turk Iranian Shahab Tiam
    http://www.bia2.com/video/player.php?id=52
    Funny you should say that. A friend of mine who is from Tabriz (yes, you guessed it She's Azeri!) is going out with this black guy from school. They're in love too!

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    Originally posted by oslonor
    Originally posted by Tehran
    Funny you should say that. A friend of mine who is from Tabriz (yes, you guessed it She's Azeri!) is going out with this black guy from school. They're in love too!
    You should follow your friend's advice and marry the "Black Persian" girl that you have posted her picture.

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    Originally posted by oslonor
    I just want to explain that my thread is not about race or ethnicity. But about what is actually going on.

    Some people look at Afghanistan as an isolated country. But that is not the case. There are two major forces in Afghanistan. Iran and Pakistan. Russia and India are too far to be able to influence the situation. Both Iran and Pakistan is trying to pull Afghanistan to themselves. The same situation exist between Iran and Turkey in Central Asia. What has happened in Central Asia is Turkey and Iran has started cooperating with each other and dividing up central asia into spheres and influence. The same thing is happening in Afghanistan. Pakistan and Iran has started cooperating with each other and dividing up Afghanistan. That is why Pakistanis who were attacking Iranian Azeris until yesterday have moved to defend the same Iranian Azeris today.

    One Scenario is to dream up a Pakistani Empire and the other is planning an Azeri-Turk Iranian Empire. Both these options are not very good for Afghanistan. There can be no integration of AFghan economy into Iranian economy as long as Azeri Turks are running Iran which have totally alien culture to Afghans. So the project of a central Asian European Union type sturcture is not possible.

    In central Asia , Persian-Afghan Culture have influenced those countries in the past. But that Iran under the leadershop of Azeri Turks is not the cultural inheritor of ancient Persia. Currently now Iran is more similar to Brazil and Columbia than ancient Persia.

    But Afghanistan and its people are actually closer to ancient Persian Empire than Iran is. What is needed is the creation of an Afghani Empire based on Afghans including Persians living in Iran. This combined force can remove Azeri Turks from power in Iran and replace Afghans and Persians instead. Beginning of 1980's some people in Iran had these plans and that is why they nominated an Afghan as the first President of Iran post "Islamic Revolution" in Iran. One of these people were Ayattollah Khomeniny himself.

    That is the only way out for Afghanistan. How an Afghan with 5 cents in his pocket is going to stand up to an Azeri Iranian with millions of dollars and a latest model car coming to Kabul to take an Afghani girl to Tehran? This is not a joke. They have already made a music video about it. Empty talk about United Nation and World Peace is not going to help. This is the lesson that Russians have learned. Otherwise Afghanistan will either become Pakistanized by Pakistanis or Turkified by Azeri Iranians. Events will eventually take over and wake you up from sleep.

    Several points about Afghanistan:

    1. Afghanistan is only 300 years old country. There is no such country in ancient history.
    2. Afghanistan is actually ancient Persia which has kept its independence. Persia or Iran has fallen to Turkish hands.
    3. Zoroastura was actually from Afghanistan and Persians still have Zoarastrian culture in addition to Islam which they share with Afghans.
    4. The most important resource is not money or oil but people and their culture. In those terms Afghanistan is a very rich country.
    5. Afghans and Persians have led one of biggest Empires in history for 100's of years. The current situation allows a re-creation of that Empire.

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    Originally posted by AsH-21
    dear oslonor:

    any topics concerning the matter of racial differences or persians and aryans and so forth of the same nature in pictures coming from you shall remain in the open 2 threads. the same applies in the other subforums. I do not care if you are arguing the creation of jesus in aryana or whatever other fraud theory, do not spam the boards simply because people don't want to read it.

    along with that note, no advertising of your blogs. just because they have been open for months with no attention does not mean free advertisements interlinking on every page here.

    keep to those rules or i will delete/merge/edit. Pm option is avaialble or simply post here if you wish to become malcolm x or martin luther king and argue breach of rights.

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    Originally posted by oslonor
    Originally posted by AsH-21
    dear oslonor:

    any topics concerning the matter of racial differences or persians and aryans and so forth of the same nature in pictures coming from you shall remain in the open 2 threads. the same applies in the other subforums. I do not care if you are arguing the creation of jesus in aryana or whatever other fraud theory, do not spam the boards simply because people don't want to read it.

    along with that note, no advertising of your blogs. just because they have been open for months with no attention does not mean free advertisements interlinking on every page here.

    keep to those rules or i will delete/merge/edit. Pm option is avaialble or simply post here if you wish to become malcolm x or martin luther king and argue breach of rights.

    dorood
    The thread for Dokhtar Kaboli or Hindi was about a different subject. I would like to have that thread back. Obviously you are an American as you imagine these topics I discuss are very strange. For Afghans who have been to many years of war is nothing strange about what I am discussing. And it has nothing to do with Martin Luther king or Malcom X. Also I do not understand why you have removed the links in my posts. If nobody is visiting my websites then you should not be concerned about it.

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    thanks for putting back my thread. Could please replace my avatar where I have posted. thanks.

    The Policy of Turkification of Iran

    The policies of Turkification targets the Persian minority and tries to destroy the Persians as an ethnic minority and replace them with Turks. The policy is based in destroying the structure of Iranian population where Azeris live in separate and far away provinces from provinces where Persians live and tries to mix the Azeri population with Persian population.

    To explain what is the Azeri regime in Tehran one have to compare them to the Nazi Germany. The Azeris nationalist have dropped the banner of Islam a long time ago. They are replacing Islam with Pan-Iranism. Their Pan-Iranism is an Iranian version of Pan-Turkism. They have created something called the Iranian race. Their Iranian race is the Azeri turks and the mixed race segments of Tehran's population. Unlike the Nazi Germany which believed in the superiority of German Race, the ruling Azeri regime in Tehran believes in the inferiority of the Azeri Turkish race. This is nazism in reverse. So they believe that to improve the Azeri race they mix Azeris with Persians. They officially call this agenda for "The Aryanization of Azeri Turks into Aryans".

    The policy of "Aryanization of Azeri Turks" includes moving Afghan refugees into Azeri Turks areas such as Tehran and moving Azeri Turks into Persian areas such as Khorasan. It also includes forcing Persians to move to Tehran for economic reasons and moving even more Azeris from Azerbaijan into Tehran. The air pollution created in Tehran by such policies has resulted in closing schools and businesses due to excessive Air pollution in Tehran. Add to this that Azeris are culturally and ethnically very different from both Persians and Afghans and Azeris have never been Zoarastrians and do not share the old inhabitants of Persia's culture and civilization.

    The consequence of these policies is the formation of an alien Azeri Turk dominant culture in Tehran and which is similar to the culture of big cities in Latin American countries with a high rate of crime. Many afghans who have believed the Azeri propoganda that Azeris are Persians, have stated that Iran is culturally as alien to Afghans as Pakistanis are and they do not recognize any common cultural bonds between Afghans and Iranians(Azeris).

    At the same time other Afghan refugees who have crossed into Khorasan province have stated according to United Nation reports that they did not notice they are in foreign country when they did live in Khorasan where the real Persians live and they felt at home.

    Also After removal of Taleban in Afghanistan by Americans and Afghani forces, Azeri nationalist in Tehran immediately offered to go Afghanistan and "help Afghans'. But these Azeri were not very interested to help Afghan refugees living in Iran.

    Iran's Afghan Refugee Policy

    Afghan Refugee Policy: Under Khatami administration only Hazaras who are descendents of mongol turks were officially accepted as refugees and other Afghan refugees had the status of illegals in Iran.

    Also note that they set up the Afghan refugee camps in outskirsts of Tehran. More appropriate would have been to setup refugee camps in Khorasan bordering Afghansitan as similar people live on both sides of the border and not in Tehran where the Azeri Turks who have no cultural or ethnic connection with afghans are a majority. For a Persian an Afghan is 100 times more respectable than an Azeri Turk Iranian. This upsets Azeris. So Azeri ruling regime in Tehran carry out systematic propoganda against Afghan refugees living in Iran and calling them criminals and thiefs. The Azeri regime tries to create conflicts between Persians and Afghans by any means possible.

    Foreign sponsors of Azeri turks also tell afghans that there are no Persians in Iran and all Iranians are "Iranians" meaning that they are Azeri Turks and there are no other ethnic groups in Iran besides Azeri Turks.

    On CSPAN one of the Washington experts on Afghanistan described the success in their policies and declared that Afghans are Arabs. What these experts mean by this is they do not want anybody in Iran and Afghanistan to be able to claim a historical Aryan heritage or look like an Aryan. Their agenda is all these people are either Arabs or Turks and should look like either an Arab or a Turk. This would make their job easier as they could easily use racism to control or isolate these people from North Americans and Europeans. It is more difficult to use racism against people who look like Europeans.
    The Azeri Turks Race Theory

    Iranians are a very mixed people. The words Azeri, Persian and so on in Iran only refer to the language spoken. Not really ethnicity. To talk about half Azeri-half Persian is absolutely meaningless in Iran, because everybody is mixed!

    If a person talks Persian, he is considered a Persian! Just because of their inferiority complexes. They think if they claim that Persians are Aryans, and different from "lower people" Turks and Arabs, then the Westerners will not treat them as Turks and Arabs!!!!!!!!!!Almost every typical Iranian extended family has individuals who are Persian, Turkish, Kurdish, Gilaki, Lori and Arab speaking. The same thing is correct about a typical Iranian, If you don't know, that a typical Iranian is also a mixture of Persian,Greek,Arab,Turkish,Indian,African,Mongol and so on.

    Oslonor Comments: This was Azeri Race theory for Iran. The Kurds and Lors and Bakhtiaris who speak Kurdish, Lori and Bakhtiary are really Kurds, Bakhtiarys and Lors. They are not Azeris who speak these languages.

    There is no mythical Iranian who speak different languages as Azeris claim. Language is not ethnicity and if an Azeri speak Persian , Azeris do not turn into Persians. Persians or Kurds who speak Persian or Kurdish are related to Persian and Kurdish phenotypes. Otherwise an Indian speaking English would be regarded as British according to Azeri theory.

    On the question of inferiority complex, it is actually the opposite. Persians as I have posted their pictures do not have inferiority complex with Europeans. The reason is that they look like Europeans. On the other hand Azeris who do not look like Europeans have inferiority complex with Europeans and they claim they are Persians so they be regarded as Aryans and Europeans even when they do not look like Europeans.

    Also from your comments it is clear that you do not even believe your own theories about Persians and Azeris are the same people. You talk about Persians in third person ( They believe). So you clearly think that Persians are they, and you are an Azeri separate from Persians.
    Afghanistan and Persians in Iran

    What Afghanistan can do to promote Persians is very simple. Afghanistan should insist on regional trade with Persian speaking Khorasan province next to Herat and avoid direct Kabol-Tehran trade relations. Khorasan will become a powerfull ally of Afghanistan in Iran. Industries dealing with Afghanistan in Iran such as car industry should be moved to Khorasan instead.

    Pakistan being very concerned about the emergence of Khorasan as a counter force to Pakistan on the borders of Afghanistan has dispatched the Pakistani Prime Minister and the Pakistani Foreign minister to Khorasan to meet with high level officials in Khorasan. This is the significance of Khorasan for the future of Afghanistan.

    Afghan policy should be similar to other countries in the region. For example the Republic of Azerbaijan in north west Iran is promoting the interest of Azeris in Iran. It constantly talks about "Persian chauvanism" and "lack of rights for Azeris" when Azeris themselves are actually running Iran. Turkey has the same policy in Central Asia. Afghanistan should also start talking about Persians in Iran and start promoting Persians as a minority group living under Azeri Turkish rule.

    Azeris in Iran have made these moves to destroy Khorasan as a base of Persian resistance to Azeri Turkish Rule:

    Moving the Capital Tehran to Mashhad.... Mashhad is the capital of the biggest Persian speaking province Khorasan with 6 million population which borders Afghanistan. This plan includes moving several million Azeris into Khorasan for Aryanization and destruction of Persians. Articles have appeared in Iranian press on this subject. It has been opposed by the Persian clergy in Mashhad. This plan failed but Another plan was to divide Khorasan into 20 provinces in order to weaken it as a base of resistance for the Persian clergy. But they succeeded in 2004 to divide Khorasan into three provinces: southern Khorasan and Northern Khorasan and central Khorasan. Also a campaign by Azeri Turks sponsored satelite TV in US against the family of Ayatollah Waiz Tabasi who runs the Persian clergy establishment in Mashhad has started in US. Azeris claim that Mr. Tabasi is in financial trouble and mismanages the religious foundations and also he is an American agent seeking US citizenship!!! Mr. Tabasi is a very high level religous figure and the religous foundation in Mashhad is 1000 years old. One of the most important shrines of Islam is located in Mashhad bordering Afghanistan. Also Ayatollah Sistani the religious leader of Iraq is from Mashhad in Iran
    Afghanistan is actually ancient Persia which has kept its independence. Persia or Iran has fallen into Turkish hands.

    But Afghanistan and its people are actually closer to the real ancient Persi than Iran is. Iran is more similar to Mexico than ancient Persian Empire. What is needed is the creation of an Afghani Empire based on Afghans including Persians living in Iran. The Alliance of Afghans and Persians can remove Azeri Turks from power in Iran and replace Afghans and Persians instead and create an Afghan Empire dominating the whole Central Asia.


    This is an important point. After the invasion of Alexander the Great Persia and today's Afghanistan fell to Greeks. Who saved Persians and Afghans? It was Parthians. Who were Parthians? An Iranian people who lived north of Iran and Afghanistan in present day Turkemenistan and Uzbekistan.

    Some Persian singers understanding that the real Persia is Afghanistan and not Iran have started singing in Afghani style. One of these singers is Nooshafarin. Here is a audio from here album:

    Nooshafarin
    http://www.iranvatan.com/mmusic/noo_nazani-e-eshgh.ram

    Afghan President Warns Against Meddling

    This is a speech by President Karzai
    President Karzai as reported today on Feb 18 2006 is making some very important points. This speech clearly signals the start of New Afghan Foreign policy toward Iran and Pakistan. He clearly states that Afghanistan can influence Iranian politics with a great historical force bigger than what some Azeri Turks in Tehran can imagine. This great historical force will wipe out The Azeri-Turks and their "Islamic Republic" in Iran. The minute that Afghanistan starts talking about Persians under Azeri Turks rule, the whole political structure in Iran will collapse.

    The reason for the existence of this strange political condition in Iran is due to how the political systems is based on a fundamental lie. Azeri Turks in Iran claim that they are Persians and only speak Azeri Turkish language. Azeris falsify history to prove their claim. They have even written books to prove it. But what destroys their theories is that they do not look like Persians and there is no way they can explain it in their theories. No political force in Iran have questioned these Azeri claims. Afghanistan can easily wipe out the Azeri Turks political structure in Iran. The reason is simple. Afghanistan truly represents the Ancient Persia and is the inheritor of Persian civilization.

    Afghanistan can explode a neutron bomb in Iran by just changing the name of the country from Afghanistan to Persia. Understanding that such a move might pose a great national security risk for Azeri-Turk regime in Tehran, some Azeri-turks in Tehran have suggested that Iran should change back its name to Persia.


    By KATHY GANNON, Associated Press WriterSat Feb 18, 1:23 PM ET

    President Hamid Karzai has a pointed warning for neighboring nations: Stop meddling in Afghan affairs, or risk seeing chaos spread from a destabilized Afghanistan across the region.

    Speaking sharply during an interview with The Associated Press, Karzai said Afghans have had enough of conflict and foreign interference — the war against occupying Soviet troops in the 1980s, a civil war in the '90s, the insurgency following the U.S.-led campaign that toppled the Taliban and chased out al-Qaida training camps after the Sept. 11 terror attacks.


    He promised that further interference in his homeland will not go unchallenged and warned that Iran, Pakistan and others are not fooling anyone.

    "We know (interference) is going on. We know that money is being brought into Afghanistan. It will not have the impact that they want it to have — not for Afghanistan and not for themselves — so they had better stop," Karzai said.


    "If they don't stop, the consequences will be exactly what I said earlier. The consequences will be that this region will suffer with us, equally, as we suffer. In the past we suffered alone. This time everybody will suffer with us."

    Karzai said he felt a sense of contentment with the progress his country has made since the collapse of the Taliban regime at the end of 2001. But he spoke with concern about outside attempts to manipulate Afghanistan's ethnic and religious groups and the dangers of encouraging discord in tumultuous south-central Asia.


    "Any effort to divide Afghanistan ethnically or weaken it will create exactly the same things in the neighboring countries. All the countries in this neighborhood have the same ethnic groups that we have, so they should know that it is a different ball game this time," he said.

    "We are bloody determined. It is not going to be Pakistan playing the Pashtun, non-Pashtun game in Afghanistan. It is not going to be Iran playing this or that game or any other country. We can play the same game with a lot more historical power, with a lot more power in our history than others can. They should know that very well."


    Reflecting on Afghanistan's recent violence, and the manipulations of its neighbors, the president said his people are stronger now and know better how to face up to foreign interference.

    "It won't work this time. Afghanistan has an ownership. I told you we will not be refugees again. We own this country. Afghanistan has a voice now," Karzai said.

    "The past is gone. We were unaware: The Soviets came, invaded us and we went out of Afghanistan to defend our country. We defended our country and that was right, but we made a mistake by leaving our country. It was one of the biggest mistakes we made, leaving the country."

    Talking without aides at his side, sitting alone at a long, heavy table in a cavernous room at the presidential palace, Karzai was passionate about Afghanistan's future and his determination to protect his country.

    "The United States, Pakistan, Iran and everybody should know that this time Afghans will not become refugees. I would be one of those Afghans who would not become a refugee again," he said.

    "It has to be very, very clear. That is why I am talking so clear. This is my conscience speaking, the conscience of an Afghan person.
    Al Gore and Taliban

    Al Gore and Co. are the foreign backer of these Azeri nationalist in Iran. Al Gore was the main sponsor of Taliban in Afghanistan and is responsible for all the crimes committed against the people of Afghanistan. The racial policies of Azeri nationalist are sponsored by Liberal Jews in Democratic Party in US and they have the same policy in both Europe and US. It has led into social breakdown in Europe. The riots in France confirms this. More information is available on my blog.

    P.S. The text is part of my blog. click website button for my blog

    Originally posted by AsH-21
    Originally posted by AsH-21
    dear oslonor:
    keep to those rules or i will delete/merge/edit. Pm option is avaialble or simply post here if you wish to become malcolm x or martin luther king and argue breach of rights.
    You have raised a very important issue although it was not your intention. What you are trying to say and many others have said the same thing is this:

    "Persians look like Africans and the issues you are raising is similar to what Martin Luther King and Malcom X was trying to do for African-Americans. I am sorry you are an African-American and Afghans are white people. We are not the same people."


    I am sorry too. That has not happened yet. Persians do not look like African-Americans. Check their pictures under "Persians and Afghans" thread. But your logic can be applied to Afghans too. Afghans have respect in the west because the way they look. Once Afghans start to look like african-Americans they will not have any respect with these champions of "human rights" and "equality". They will hear the same statements:


    "Afghans you look like african-Americans and your problems are the problems of Martin Luther King and Malcom X. We do not care about your problems."


    On the same theme, this is a post by Goldy:
    Originally posted by Goldy
    :afro: What a nice looking persian.
    You know what makes him even better looking, I think his dad was an azeri turk.
    Hello Goldy: A Persian is somebody who looks like a Persian. If somebody does not look like a Persian then he is not Persian. That is very simple. You can not call an African American a Persian because he is not Persian.

    19 year old American girl falls in love with an Afghan on the net, travels to kabul and marries an afghan guy


    http://www.afghanforums.com/showthre...n+fall+in+love

    Bahaar
    true love just from talking through the internet?? oh pleease

    Oslonor:
    Actually Bahar is making a very good point. First they send a nice American girl marrying an afghan. Then they will pulicize it on radio and TV. They tell afghans it is very good to marry nice Americans and move to western countries. Then they start mail-order bride company and try to buy Afghan brides in US and Europe as they do with Russians and other countries. Then they send a plane full of African Americans "tourists" to Afghanistan to marry Afghan woman. Many Persian girls have been deceived to Persian Gulf Arab states and they work as prostitutes now. Also here in US you can read this blog how African-Americans are trying to find Persian girls to marry and somebody is financing it with Satelite broadcast from TV stations in Virginia in US. Click on the Website button under.
    Iranians and African Americans


    The people who are writing that Persians are mixed with Africans and Arabs have certainly an agenda that they consistently pursue. Despite that they know these claims are not true, they try to create the conditions to make it true.

    Recently some African American guy has started appearing on a Rangarang Iranian Satelite TV broadcast from Virginia in US claiming that his mother is Persian and his name is "Tehran" and he speaks a few words of Persian.

    It is obvious that some sponsors have paid for teaching this guy a few Persian words and the same sponsors are paying 20.000 dollars a month for satelite broadcast costs.

    Mr. Tehran claims that his mother is Persian is obviously not true as Mr. Tehran speaks with African American accent and he also displays African American getto culture. It is a mystery how his Persian mother has taught him not only to speak with African American accent but also have taught him to have African American culture. After a few weeks Mr. Tehran found out about these problems so he switched to claiming his father is Persian and his mother is an african american. Mr. Tehran constantly talks about himself as "We Persians" with his african american accent and his black getto manners.

    Now what is the purpose of this program? This program targets mostly young Iranian girls residing in US. The main purpose is to get into contact with these girls and introduce them to Mr. Tehran's African American friends. Mr. Tehran is constantly talking about the advantages of multi-racial marriages specially with his African American friends. Mr. Tehran states that all Iranian girls are very anxious to meet his buddies such as Khalid and Omar and Jabbar etc.

    Also you should note that African Americans in general are heavily invovled in drug culture and criminality. In other words introducing african americans to Iranian girls leads to both the drug culture and criminality for the Iranian girls. It will also connect these girls to the American Court System and Law Enforcement agencies and police. Many African Americans work as police informers and the police uses them to extend their control over the population in US. Multiculturalist agenda for Iranians is that Iranians are mixed with Africans and this TV program is going to be the proof. Iranians do not mind if an Iranian girl on a voluntary basis marries an african american or whoever they want to marry. But this is an organized attempt for blackmail and financed by people with a racist political agenda.

    Persians are going to be used for improving African-American race. At the same time Persians are going to be reduced from a mainstream white Persian-American citizens to a Persian-African minority. This creates Persians as an ethnic minority and in need of Jewish liberals in the democratic party in US to gain access to jobs and social positions as African-Americans are dependent today.

    The people who sponsor and pay for this program, try to get as many blond Russians to immigrate to Israel as possible. Currently US is condemning Israel for sex slavery from Russia and Eastern Europe where Russians girls have been deceived and taken to Israel by force.

    If this was not proof enough, then our Hollywood friends are spending money on producing a film about a few thousand Iranians who are of African origin and live in the port city of Bushehr in southern Iran who was brought to Iran in 15 century by Portugese from Zanzibar in East Africa. This film is going to prove definitely that Iranians are of African origin.

    Warning to Afghans: Similar schemes is going on through internet with African Americans posing as afghans and saying a few words of Afghani language. These African Americans are involved in woman's trade specially from poor countries. They promise good life in west but the reality is very different.
    Ethnic Identity in Iran and Afghanistan



    The two pictures posted here illustrates the ethnic identity in Iran and Afghanistan. The first pictures shows a crowd in Tehran. The second picture is a school in Afghanistan. The difference between these two pictures shows the ethnic identity in Iran and Afghansitan. If an Iranian is asked who are the people in the first picture, the response would be they are Iranians. They can not specify ethnicity of these people. If an Afghan is asked about the second picture, the afghan can tell exactly which ethnic group every girl in the second picture belongs. The ethnic groups in Afghanistan are clearly demarcated. The racial policies of the Azeri regime in Tehran will end up with all Iranians looking like the first picture. It tries t break down all ethnic demarcation and produce the Iranian race. That is people with no ethnic identity. That crowd would be called the Iranian race. And those phenotypes are extensively used by Hollywood to show how Persian Aryans look like. The extensive campaign by Hollywood painting Persians as Arabs exactly refers to these Azeri phenotypes as Azeris show similar facial features with Arabs.
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    dear oslonor,

    here you go with your separate thread. my appologies for combining it but to me the perspective of both threads which i had combined is the exact same thing. neverthless as some others might see your point knock yourself out with this.

    the points i initially pointed out however do stand and keep them in mind. i don't go around checking every single post by every member banking on the hope that people follow rules, and one simple one is no advertisements of personal sites and so forth. one or 2 links to your website along with the profile links are fine, however in every single post redirecting traffic i shall edit.

    and i do hope the topics shall remain separated by discussion topic. again my appologies for the possibly unwaranted move.

    ps. next time i question my identity and history, i shall make sure to come to your great counsel. till then i'm an afghan-canadian. the topics aren't strange, rather pointless in my opinion and very much so repetitive.

    regards

    Originally posted by oslonor
    thanks for putting back my thread. Could please replace my avatar where I have posted. thanks.
    I would have loved to however the forum software doesn't allow me to do so. thus the above appologies for that.
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    Thanks for the thread. I am glad to hear you are an Afghan-Canadian. My posts are just political issues and has nothing to do with racism. I do not have anything against Azeris.

    Azeri International Alliances

    Azeris are internationaly allied with Liberal Jews in the democratic party and Afro-Americans in US. You can see Azeri and Afro-American alliance in the Los Angles based Exile Iranian entertainment industry. Gogoosh well known singer in Afghanistan has Afro-Americans as prominent members of her orchestra when appearing in concerts in US. Also Afro-Americans appear often for a reason or no reason on Azeri sponspored TV stations in US. Also Iranian forums are flooded by African Americans advertising for dating with Iranians.



    Originally posted by AsH-21
    dear oslonor,

    here you go with your separate thread. my appologies for combining it but to me the perspective of both threads which i had combined is the exact same thing. neverthless as some others might see your point knock yourself out with this.

    the points i initially pointed out however do stand and keep them in mind. i don't go around checking every single post by every member banking on the hope that people follow rules, and one simple one is no advertisements of personal sites and so forth. one or 2 links to your website along with the profile links are fine, however in every single post redirecting traffic i shall edit.

    and i do hope the topics shall remain separated by discussion topic. again my appologies for the possibly unwaranted move.

    ps. next time i question my identity and history, i shall make sure to come to your great counsel. till then i'm an afghan-canadian. the topics aren't strange, rather pointless in my opinion and very much so repetitive.

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    I would have loved to however the forum software doesn't allow me to do so. thus the above appologies for that.
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    Originally posted by oslonor
    I do not have anything against Azeris.
    Yeah and Hitler loved jews! :rolleyes

    http://www.afghanforums.com/showthre...?threadid=3801



    Originally posted by oslonor

    Actually you make a good point. In Iran they say many Azeris are gays and they make a lot of jokes about them. Those two use a lot of make-up and they copy Michael Jackson songs. I am not sure if Shirin Ebadi is lesbian and former President Khatami is gay too.
    Originally posted by oslonor
    I just want to add that the Islamic Republic of Iran similar to Taleban Regime is a creation of Azeri Turk Iranians. It is as alien to Iran as Taleban Pakistani Regime in Afghanistan.
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    Originally posted by oslonor
    Thanks for the thread. I am glad to hear you are an Afghan-Canadian. My posts are just political issues and has nothing to do with racism. I do not have anything against Azeris.
    actually sat and read your posts, and will ask like the other thread... the point to this separated and "different topic of discussion" is? from what I see it's racial profiling of a dancer whom no one I would think would care about. firstly you're awfully confident of yourself that she is an azeri turk. next on that note, you have a problem with her pretending to be what she is not. correct me if you find this to be false but wouldn't her lack of identity be her problem and a reflection of her weakness? your goal fits where in this equation? they should start the music video with a warning following the graphic styling of fbi warnings before videos, stating that she is an azeri turk dancing as an afghan in indian clothing?

    it is claimed that this thread is not about race or ethnicity rather about what is actually going on, and yet it's discussing topics such as a Pakistani Empire and Azeri-Turk Iranian Empire and a non defined Afghan in cohesion with Persians empire? should i literally spell out crocodile tears?

    while at it, do explain to me how this is different from the thread i combined it with before reseparating it? they both don't concern the topic of 'false claims' made by azeri turks?
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    Hello Ash: Thanks for your comments. The Azeri Turk in Iran thread is just pictures of Azeri Turks and I do not want to mix it up with political discussions. The thread Dokhtar Kabuli or Hindi is about something entirely different. It is about the Turkification of Iran and lessons to be learned for Afghans. You should read the whole article on The policy of Turkification of Iran on my blog. Then you will see that this is not an innocent music video. Iranians have a lot of experience with Azeri Regime in Tehran and Afghans should learn from it. The guy in the video is Azeri. You can compare the pictures of Persians and Azeris and see the difference. Also I should add many Azeris in Iran are tired of the Azeri regime in Iran and prefer that Iran be led by people with Persian culture and civilization. That is why this thread is not about ethnicity but about political leadership.

    Edit: It seems that you have problem understanding Afghan language. The title is Kaboli girl or Indian girl. But you are refering to the indian girl as Azeri girl. I thought you said that you are an Afghan-Canadian.


    Originally posted by AsH-21
    actually sat and read your posts, and will ask like the other thread... the point to this separated and "different topic of discussion" is? from what I see it's racial profiling of a dancer whom no one I would think would care about. firstly you're awfully confident of yourself that she is an azeri turk. next on that note, you have a problem with her pretending to be what she is not. correct me if you find this to be false but wouldn't her lack of identity be her problem and a reflection of her weakness? your goal fits where in this equation? they should start the music video with a warning following the graphic styling of fbi warnings before videos, stating that she is an azeri turk dancing as an afghan in indian clothing?

    it is claimed that this thread is not about race or ethnicity rather about what is actually going on, and yet it's discussing topics such as a Pakistani Empire and Azeri-Turk Iranian Empire and a non defined Afghan in cohesion with Persians empire? should i literally spell out crocodile tears?

    while at it, do explain to me how this is different from the thread i combined it with before reseparating it? they both don't concern the topic of 'false claims' made by azeri turks?
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    Originally posted by oslonor
    Hello Ash: Thanks for your comments. The Azeri Turk in Iran thread is just pictures of Azeri Turks and I do not want to mix it up with political discussions. The thread Dokhtar Kabuli or Hindi is about something entirely different. It is about the Turkification of Iran and lessons to be learned for Afghans. You should read the whole article on The policy of Turkification of Iran on my blog. Then you will see that this is not an innocent music video. Iranians have a lot of experience with Azeri Regime in Tehran and Afghans should learn from it. The guy in the video is Azeri. You can compare the pictures of Persians and Azeris and see the difference. Also I should add many Azeris in Iran are tired of the Azeri regime in Iran and prefer that Iran be led by people with Persian culture and civilization. That is why this thread is not about ethnicity but about political leadership.
    Lessons to be learned why? What lessons are there to be learned? It seems that to you the mixing of different ethnicities is something that should be avoided. That results in segregation, division, and conflict. It is one thing to claim that Azeri Turk Iranians are of Iranian nationality however of Azeri Turk decent, however to add side commentary on the side is another.

    History = a tribe ### number of years ago lived in @@@ area of this planet, and migrated to a new %%% area where they now reside.

    Racial profiling = the tribe must never dare call themselves after a long period the residents of new area %%% because they are impure. This should be avoided and the regimes should be destroyed, and on that note others facing the similar possibility should learn lessons.

    Promote the latter, and I will expect you to take up the cause of native americans as this issue of taking over land is far more recent than what you're trying to claim here. The few cases I have seen the latter to be a belief includes Quebec in Canada as that is what some separatist French Canadians wish to debate by. This as a result of time begins to turn to racism as there is no such definite time era that can be used as the back bone. The French Canadians do not own that area nor their "culture" as they also are immgrants and if you are to study the nature of human beings you'll find every single race is and has been migratory. That brings forth the question who really are persians, what the term defines, who has the right to call themselves a persian and who does not?

    There are some grey areas which one can go further into that discussion, however surely images are not one; pictures never have nor will tell your decent. Hitler had the policy of no blue eyes and no white skin and no blonde hair resulting in non true aryan decent. If you are thinking by that mentality, give up. As said, history is one matter, however promotion of own thoughts mixed with history is another.

    Even before continuing on this trail of thought and anything relating different divisions, prove that the guy in the video = Azeri. And upon accomplishment of that, do show proof what subliminal non innocent messages exist in the music video. PS: Your own theories of judahism and christianity being the creations of persians is not a proof.
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    I am sorry. No intellectual discussion is possible if you remove the links from my posts. On the same link you will see that Azeris have "Pan Azeri Aryan' Organistions and actually promote Hitler and Nazism.

    Originally posted by AsH-21
    Lessons to be learned why? What lessons are there to be learned? It seems that to you the mixing of different ethnicities is something that should be avoided. That results in segregation, division, and conflict. It is one thing to claim that Azeri Turk Iranians are of Iranian nationality however of Azeri Turk decent, however to add side commentary on the side is another.

    History = a tribe ### number of years ago lived in @@@ area of this planet, and migrated to a new %%% area where they now reside.

    Racial profiling = the tribe must never dare call themselves after a long period the residents of new area %%% because they are impure. This should be avoided and the regimes should be destroyed, and on that note others facing the similar possibility should learn lessons.

    Promote the latter, and I will expect you to take up the cause of native americans as this issue of taking over land is far more recent than what you're trying to claim here. The few cases I have seen the latter to be a belief includes Quebec in Canada as that is what some separatist French Canadians wish to debate by. This as a result of time begins to turn to racism as there is no such definite time era that can be used as the back bone. The French Canadians do not own that area nor their "culture" as they also are immgrants and if you are to study the nature of human beings you'll find every single race is and has been migratory. That brings forth the question who really are persians, what the term defines, who has the right to call themselves a persian and who does not?

    There are some grey areas which one can go further into that discussion, however surely images are not one; pictures never have nor will tell your decent. Hitler had the policy of no blue eyes and no white skin and no blonde hair resulting in non true aryan decent. If you are thinking by that mentality, give up. As said, history is one matter, however promotion of own thoughts mixed with history is another.

    Even before continuing on this trail of thought and anything relating different divisions, prove that the guy in the video = Azeri. And upon accomplishment of that, do show proof what subliminal non innocent messages exist in the music video. PS: Your own theories of judahism and christianity being the creations of persians is not a proof.

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    Originally posted by oslonor
    I am sorry. No intellectual discussion is possible if you remove the links from my posts. On the same link you will see that Azeris have "Pan Azeri Aryan' Organistions and actually promote Hitler and Nazism.
    I thought the focus of the discussion was the topic matter, not traffic to the links provided. I made this very clear earlier when I said, repetitive [advertising] postings of blogs originated by the same author - yourself - will not be tolerated. So far you have posted 3 or 4 blogs and I have visited them all. You are free to do this on some instances, however in every single post, posting a part of your blog article here and linking to the full article to your blog is not permissible for obvious administration reasons.

    As for the promotion of comment in regards to Azeries having pan Azeri Aryan organizations, I could easily state that you're a resident of Los Angeles thus an American citizen, and use that to connect you with American foreign policy. I hope you see the blatant obvious ignorance behind this. Just because there are a small group of idiots, you can not generalize about the broad spectrum - doing this is no different than being part of the small groups of idiots.
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    If you had connected me to Russian foreign policy, I may have believed you. But American foreign policy!!!!?? I leave it to you to figure out why?

    Also many of your arguments such as "racial profiling" is based on western models and shows a lack of understanding of the region in Iran and Afghanistan.



    Originally posted by AsH-21
    I thought the focus of the discussion was the topic matter, not traffic to the links provided. I made this very clear earlier when I said, repetitive [advertising] postings of blogs originated by the same author - yourself - will not be tolerated. So far you have posted 3 or 4 blogs and I have visited them all. You are free to do this on some instances, however in every single post, posting a part of your blog article here and linking to the full article to your blog is not permissible for obvious administration reasons.

    As for the promotion of comment in regards to Azeries having pan Azeri Aryan organizations, I could easily state that you're a resident of Los Angeles thus an American citizen, and use that to connect you with American foreign policy. I hope you see the blatant obvious ignorance behind this. Just because there are a small group of idiots, you can not generalize about the broad spectrum - doing this is no different than being part of the small groups of idiots.
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    Originally posted by oslonor
    Originally posted by oslonor
    I just want to explain that my thread is not about race or ethnicity. But about what is actually going on.

    Some people look at Afghanistan as an isolated country. But that is not the case. There are two major forces in Afghanistan. Iran and Pakistan. Russia and India are too far to be able to influence the situation. Both Iran and Pakistan is trying to pull Afghanistan to themselves. The same situation exist between Iran and Turkey in Central Asia. What has happened in Central Asia is Turkey and Iran has started cooperating with each other and dividing up central asia into spheres and influence. The same thing is happening in Afghanistan. Pakistan and Iran has started cooperating with each other and dividing up Afghanistan. That is why Pakistanis who were attacking Iranian Azeris until yesterday have moved to defend the same Iranian Azeris today.

    One Scenario is to dream up a Pakistani Empire and the other is planning an Azeri-Turk Iranian Empire. Both these options are not very good for Afghanistan. There can be no integration of AFghan economy into Iranian economy as long as Azeri Turks are running Iran which have totally alien culture to Afghans. So the project of a central Asian European Union type sturcture is not possible.

    In central Asia , Persian-Afghan Culture have influenced those countries in the past. But that Iran under the leadershop of Azeri Turks is not the cultural inheritor of ancient Persia. Currently now Iran is more similar to Brazil and Columbia than ancient Persia.

    But Afghanistan and its people are actually closer to ancient Persian Empire than Iran is. What is needed is the creation of an Afghani Empire based on Afghans including Persians living in Iran. This combined force can remove Azeri Turks from power in Iran and replace Afghans and Persians instead. Beginning of 1980's some people in Iran had these plans and that is why they nominated an Afghan as the first President of Iran post "Islamic Revolution" in Iran. One of these people were Ayattollah Khomeniny himself.

    That is the only way out for Afghanistan. How an Afghan with 5 cents in his pocket is going to stand up to an Azeri Iranian with millions of dollars and a latest model car coming to Kabul to take an Afghani girl to Tehran? This is not a joke. They have already made a music video about it. Empty talk about United Nation and World Peace is not going to help. This is the lesson that Russians have learned. Otherwise Afghanistan will either become Pakistanized by Pakistanis or Turkified by Azeri Iranians. Events will eventually take over and wake you up from sleep.

    Several points about Afghanistan:

    1. Afghanistan is only 300 years old country. There is no such country in ancient history.
    2. Afghanistan is actually ancient Persia which has kept its independence. Persia or Iran has fallen to Turkish hands.
    3. Zoroastura was actually from Afghanistan and Persians still have Zoarastrian culture in addition to Islam which they share with Afghans.
    4. The most important resource is not money or oil but people and their culture. In those terms Afghanistan is a very rich country.
    5. Afghans and Persians have led one of biggest Empires in history for 100's of years. The current situation allows a re-creation of that Empire.
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    Originally posted by oslonor
    Also many of your arguments such as "racial profiling" is based on western models and shows a lack of understanding of the region in Iran and Afghanistan.
    This is coming from a person that hasn't spent a day in the region I'd bet? Comedy belongs to the chilling and humor section. Yes, I'm a blind albino all of a sudden.
    Originally posted by oslonor
    What Afghanistan can do to promote Persians is very simple. Afghanistan should insist on regional trade with Persian speaking Khorasan province next to Herat and avoid direct Kabol-Tehran trade relations. Khorasan will become a powerfull ally of Afghanistan in Iran. Industries dealing with Afghanistan in Iran such as car industry should be moved to Khorasan instead.
    Khorasan does not exist anymore. Stop hallucinating.
    Originally posted by oslonor
    Pakistan being very concerned about the emergence of Khorasan as a counter force to Pakistan on the borders of Afghanistan has dispatched the Pakistani Prime Minister and the Pakistani Foreign minister to Khorasan to meet with high level officials in Khorasan. This is the significance of Khorasan for the future of Afghanistan.
    We are in 2006, try to catch up.
    Originally posted by oslonor
    Afghan policy should be similar to other countries in the region. For example the Republic of Azerbaijan in north west Iran is promoting the interest of Azeris in Iran. It constantly talks about "Persian chauvanism" and "lack of rights for Azeris" when Azeris themselves are actually running Iran. Turkey has the same policy in Central Asia. Afghanistan should also start talking about Persians in Iran and start promoting Persians as a minority group living under Azeri Turkish rule.
    Thanks for the insightful consulting role you provide for the foreign ministry of Afghanistan all the way from Los Angeles, California. Let me guess, the response to this will be I'm an eskimo?
    Originally posted by oslonor
    Azeris in Iran have made these moves to destroy Khorasan as a base of Persian resistance to Azeri Turkish Rule:

    Moving the Capital Tehran to Mashhad.... Mashhad is the capital of the biggest Persian speaking province Khorasan with 6 million population which borders Afghanistan. This plan includes moving several million Azeris into Khorasan. Articles have appeared in Iranian press on this subject. It has been opposed by the Persian clergy in Mashhad. Another plan was to divide Khorasan into 20 provinces in order to weaken it as a base of resistance for the Persian clergy. But they succeeded in 2004 to divide Khorasan into three provinces: southern Khorasan and Northern Khorasan and central Khorasan. Also a campaign by Azeri Turks sponsored satelite TV in US against the family of Ayatollah Waiz Tabasi who runs the Persian clergy establishment in Mashhad has started in US. Azeris claim that Mr. Tabasi is in financial trouble and mismanages the religious foundations and also he is an American agent seeking US citizenship!!! Mr. Tabasi is a very high level religous figure and the religous foundation in Mashhad is 1000 years old. One of the most important shrines of Islam is located in Mashhad bordering Afghanistan. Also Ayatollah Sistani the religious leader of Iraq is from Mashhad in Iran
    Ignorance is bliss.

    Originally posted by oslonor
    2. Afghanistan is actually ancient Persia which has kept its independence. Persia or Iran has fallen to Turkish hands.

    This is an important point. After the invasion of Alexander the Great Persia and today's Afghanistan fell to Greeks. Who saved Persians and Afghans? It was Parthians. Who were Parthians? An Iranian people who lived north of Iran and Afghanistan in present day Turkemenistan and Uzbekistan.
    Keyword: ANCIENT

    Try to think in MODERN terms.

    Originally posted by oslonor
    You have raised a very important issue although it was not your intention. What you are trying to say and many others have said the same thing is this: Persians look like Africans and the issues you are raising is similar to what Martin Luther King and Malcom X was trying to do for African-Americans. I am sorry you are African-American and Afghans are white people.

    I am sorry. But Persians do not look like African-Americans. Check their pictures. . But your logic can be applied to Afghans too. Afghans have respect in the west because the way they look. Once Afghans start to look like africans they will not have any respect with these champions of human rights and equality. They will hear the same statements: Afghans you are africans and your problems are the problems of Martin Luther King and Malcom X. We do not care about your problems.
    No, I'm not "trying to say" that, but nice try at telling me what my mind is saying. What i'm trying to say, no wait I am saying is you are dillusional beyond belief. Keep to the rules of not spamming and freedom of speech is allowed, otherwise that I'll gladly take away.
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    Khorasan does not exist anymore. Stop hallucinating.
    Your responses are very childish. Khorasan does not exist. Just look at the map. May I ask what is the name of the province next to Herat in Iran? I leave it to Afghans to respond to you.


    Originally posted by AsH-21
    This is coming from a person that hasn't spent a day in the region I'd bet? Comedy belongs to the chilling and humor section. Yes, I'm a blind albino all of a sudden.

    Khorasan does not exist anymore. Stop hallucinating.

    We are in 2006, try to catch up.

    Thanks for the insightful consulting role you provide for the foreign ministry of Afghanistan all the way from Los Angeles, California. Let me guess, the response to this will be I'm an eskimo?

    Ignorance is bliss.


    Keyword: ANCIENT

    Try to think in MODERN terms.


    No, I'm not "trying to say" that, but nice try at telling me what my mind is saying. What i'm trying to say, no wait I am saying is you are dillusional beyond belief. Keep to the rules of not spamming and freedom of speech is allowed, otherwise that I'll gladly take away.
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    Originally posted by oslonor
    Your responses are very childish. Khorasan does not exist. Just look at the map. I leave it to Afghans to respond to you.
    I don't hold high judgement of a person whose every single response is:

    You're American, you don't know what Afghans want.
    You're African, Afghans don't agree with you.
    You didn't mean what you wrote, you mean what I say.
    Azeri turks have ruined Persia. They have ruined Hollywood. Hitler was an Azeri Turk. They smell.

    Afghans did judge in the other thread as to what your racial profiling means. Your response there was also urging Afghan opinion and I don't see that much more responses from you there.

    As for Khurasan being existant. Others realize the difference between "past" and "present". I don't see it as a state recognized by the UN, unless I'm mistaken o great one - show me the map.

    As for what Afghans will respond to me, they've had more than plenty chances, but thanks for the leaving the discussion floor available for others.
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